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Does this morph prove out? I have been told that even 1.1 extreme reds will only produce a few extreme reds in a litter. The rest will be "reddish" but not extreme. If so can there truely be hets for Extreme albinos? Please shed some light.

There is no such thing as het for extreme red, extreme red is a very strong line trait it is not simple recessive.

The albino gene in the line is the same albino gene as all the other albino's you see with the exception of pastel pinks and the Tpositives.

for example here are some simplified results. More red better the results.

Extreme red x Extreme red = 100% Extreme red

Extreme red x orange = High reds, reds and oranges.

Extreme red x yellow = orange with red highlights
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Justin Mitcham
ExtremeHogs.com

Most of the line traits I've worked with haven't proved to be that predictable.

Do you have any photos of them hatching that show this and how many pairings have you done to prove the that they do breed true?

Are you going to daytona? I would love to chat in person about this.
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If con is the opposite of pro, does that mean congress is the opposite of progress??

LOL

You are so funny Charles...please stop trying to bait me into an argument.
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Justin Mitcham
ExtremeHogs.com

No baiting just asking a serious question that you are dodging for some reason. Like I said every line trait animal I have worked with have produced very unpredictable results.

Have you bred extreme to extreme and if so do you have any photos of the babies hatching?
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If con is the opposite of pro, does that mean congress is the opposite of progress??

well charles you havn't worked with these have you?

here's a pic of extreme red x extreme red het albino..hatching right now!!
100% awesome across the board..any questions?

I have been breeding extreme red X extreme red for years now..probably had over 20 pairings so far all the same incredible results!!

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Justin Mitcham
ExtremeHogs.com

Justin,

Is that straight vermiculite you are using or a mix of vermiculite and perlite?
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Troy Rexroth
Rextiles

vermiculite...

I tried using a different incubation method.
Instead of wetting the medium I placed a deli with water in the container.

I had some bad luck with some of the eggs in this clutch so I switched them to this method a couple weeks ago.
Although I won't be able to really tell how well this worked on this clutch I been incubating my 2nd clutches this way and I am having MUCH better results. In fact my 2x clutches usually are a little flakey compared with the 1st go round..For example 1st clucth is 20 second maybe 15 with some eggs going bad at a higher rate than the 1st clutch..but so far out of a dozen second clutches kept this way I have only lost a couple eggs..no mold or fungus are growing even on the eggs that died.

I believe hog eggs have a hard time with excessive moisture.

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Justin Mitcham
ExtremeHogs.com

That's a very interesting method. How often do you have to refill the water bowl? Do you think that the vermiculite is absorbing the water from the humid air and transferring whatever moisture to the eggs in lower doses or do you think that the eggs are just absorbing whatever moisture is needed from the air itself? I wonder how well this method would work for another type of medium that wouldn't absorb moisture like calci-sand or something similiar. Please keep us posted on your results.
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Troy Rexroth
Rextiles

"Do you think that the vermiculite is absorbing the water from the humid air and transferring whatever moisture to the eggs in lower doses or do you think that the eggs are just absorbing whatever moisture is needed from the air itself?"

I believe both is happening. I also believe that the more egg surface exposed to air the higher the levels of respiration for the embryo which I believe is also benifitial.
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Justin Mitcham
ExtremeHogs.com

I agree with justin on this one!!

I've worked with them sparingly for my own reasons.

Was it that difficult to post a picture before with a brief explanation or do you just like getting defensive for no reason?

Nice looking animals but well I see the term "extreme" can be used loosely. Still nice looking hognoses though.

Any chance of seeing you in Daytona? I like to chat in person rather than over the internet. Many things can be misunderstood when being read or over the phone.
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If con is the opposite of pro, does that mean congress is the opposite of progress??

Charles we have gotten into it so many times here on KS forum..can you blame me!!

As for Daytona..don't know yet..I can leave my snakes for a week or two but my coral reef tanks and seahorses no way.
I just went on vacation for over two weeks..but I was only 150 miles away and came home every other day for feeding etc. It still was crazy and I almost lost a 15k tank due to some Macro Algae going sexual(lol)..if that happened while I was in daytona or somewhere else my reef tank would look like a glass of milk when I got home.

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Justin Mitcham
ExtremeHogs.com

i just had to drop in and say your reef tanks are amazing, i just started a nano reef about three weeks and am in love with it so far and i havent even gotten it to the point of having fish but i get excited about every new piece i can ad to it, the only thing im looking forward to more is a trio of hogs i just finished paying for and am getting next week, unfortunately i cant afford any from your lines yet but im hoping in a few years i can afford a pare from the purple line they make me jelous every time i see them. i guess thats enough of a rant for now. just thought id show some appreciation for all the work i can see you place in all your projects.
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1.2 sunglow motley corns
1.1 anery corn
1.1 okeetee corn
0.0.1 sunkised corn
0.0.10 sunglow motley babys
0.1 hypo brooks
1.0 anery Honduran milk snake
0.1 VP hypo Honduran milk snake
1.0 anery Kenyan sand boa
0.1 anery Kenyan sand boa
0.1 Kenyan sand boa
3.6 rats and babys
ginger mouse colony
1.1 rex rabbits and babys

Much appreciated...when your tank hits the 6 month mark let me know I send you some frags for free. If you need any advice or have any issues which seem common place for reef tanks feel free to email or call.
Always rememebr this rule which I learned the hard way...coral tanks are like racecars..the faster you go the harder you crash!!

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Justin Mitcham
ExtremeHogs.com

i will defiantly have to hit you up on the frags when i get to that point, ive been lucky in a sense with not being able to go to fast on my tank just because of the effort and money it takes for me to get the next step of it going, i live about 80 miles from the saltwater specialty store ive been working with which makes any new addition an adventure. my tank has been growing pretty smoothly so far, my coraline algae is starting to grow steadily, and my cleaning crew is taking care of the rest so im fairly content with it so far.
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1.2 sunglow motley corns
1.1 anery corn
1.1 okeetee corn
0.0.1 sunkised corn
0.0.10 sunglow motley babys
2 clutches of eggs cooking
0.1 hypo brooks
1.0 anery Honduran milk snake
0.1 VP hypo Honduran milk snake
1.0 anery Kenyan sand boa
0.1 anery Kenyan sand boa
0.1 Kenyan sand boa
3.6 rats and babys
ginger mouse colony
1.1 rex rabbits and babys
24 gal saltwater nano reef

What made the algae blooom? I have noticed one of the biggest problems is phosphates and if you don't use RO water you can be adding them into your tank without even knowing. I have found tap water to be the biggest problem with a tank. My favorite substrate is live sand, it helps hold a lot of bacteria that will end up aiding the tank.
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If con is the opposite of pro, does that mean congress is the opposite of progress??

When I 1st started my phosphates would get a little high because of the carbon filters after I stopped using them I have had no probs. My water perameters are near perfect 0 0 0-1 across the board..phosphates have never been an issue in this tank as you can see by the incredible amount of coraline algae growth ..what it was is the calerpa in my refugium..I have a macro based refugium for de-nitrification, copeo and amphipod production and coral propagation. Calerpa has a tendency if you don't trim it or keep it on a 24hr light cycle to go sexual..when it does this it releases all sorts of crap into the water that can cause the system to crash. Although all you do is pull the calerpa out and make sure your protein skimmers are working well if your not home to do it the it can be a problem..which it almost was..a tiny dose of vodka also helps boost the anerobic bacteria which will help purify the water as well. Too much and you can kill the tank..LOL My tank's filteration is almost 100% biological..I don't like using phosbans and other chemicals. Protein skimmers and the ocassional dose of vodka that feeds the benefitial bacteria sugars that are not normally found in high levels in reef tanks.
I have all sorts of other macro's I grow..cheato, blue ball,dragons breath..red grape..codo's even some stuff that I havn't been able to identify etc..but calerpa is king of de-nitrification.
Here's a pic of our nano reef tank it's a 24 gallon 100% pure biological..

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Justin Mitcham
ExtremeHogs.com