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People agree with having to register their constrictors? To me it's the same as registering a firearm. Wouldn't do it because it just tells the government which door to kick in when they decide to take away my rights.

I like the idea of registering them with a non-government entity, if they're considered by the group that keeps them to be potentially lethal to the below average keeper when being handled alone. To me, burms, af rocks, retics, and anacondas would fall into this category.

I personally don't feel the "average" person has the knowledge, skill, or experience to handle one of these animals when full grown. I also don't feel these animals should be available in pet stores where ANYONE can come in and buy them.

If the idea of registering every animal seems ridiculous, I think getting a permit to be an owner, regardless of the number, is a sound idea. Part of the permitting process would include passing a test developed by the community to test the knowledge and skills of the applicant. They should also be able to demonstrate the financial ability to properly house these animals.

Again, this is all just my opinion. To reiterate, I do NOT think the government should be involved in this process!

Thanks! jb
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Jonathan Brady

Deviant Constrictors picturetrail

Like I said in another post I'm a federally registered falconer. I had to pass inspection and take written tests to become one. To do this hobby I have to give up a certain freedom. At any time during busness hours an agent can come to my home for an inspection. Good thing I'm being a good boy right now lol. I see the pros and cons to having to meet certain criteria in order to be in this hobby.if we don't fight soon there will be fees just to keep these snakes.

There is no registery where I live, but I'd do it if the law required it. My dogs are registered with rabies licences- the city knows exactly what I have and where to find me.

I am in support of registery. I think it would help reptile keepers against the people that neglect the necessary safety precautions that need to be taken when keeping large snakes. Stories like the little girl killed by a Burmese may not be such an inflammatory situation if there was stricter protocol in keeping them. I tmay be more confined to that owner, not the entire reptile community.

I absolutely realize that a person killed from a large snake will always grab the medias' attention, but legislators may not have as much to grab onto if you could make an arguement that law wasn't followed.

For example: cars have to be registered. FAR more people are killed by cars than snakes each year because of negligence of the law when driving a vehicle (that by nature is "deadly". Why aren't cars banned?

Same thing works for the environment: PEOPLE are the single most threat to loss of diversity on Earth. Vehicles have contributed to the greenhouse effect. Vehicles aren't banned. But laws are being passed in regards to emmission levels, etc.

OK, done rambling, just my thoughts on the issue. Off to work.
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Cheers,
Jessica Gibbs
Ball Pythons; Corn Snakes; Green Tree Python; Jungle Carpet Pythons; Bci; Bcl
3.0 Crazy Dogs and 2.0 cats
Some Tropical Fish
...........and growing!

I am torn over this situation. I do not keep the GIANT constrictors myself. But it just seems like we're going to loose one less privacy by having to register. This might just be a python issue right now but I know it will spill over and become a boa issue. I personally learned a healthy respect for the giant constrictors when I was 16. I know now they are not for me, but I am willing to stand up and voice my opinion with the giant constrictor folk in order to help secure our rights.

That horrible situation in florida happened in a house where a man was keeping a snake that he was required to register, but didn't.

Laws did nothing to save that poor girl. More laws won't make a difference to people who are already ignoring the laws already on the books.
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www.bryansboas.com

It may not prevent more accidents, but it can help pin the blame to people that have not followed the law that was in place to prevent that situation.

The entire reptile keeper community shouldn't be punished for one person's ignorance and neglect.
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Cheers,
Jessica Gibbs
Ball Pythons; Corn Snakes; Green Tree Python; Jungle Carpet Pythons; Bci; Bcl
3.0 Crazy Dogs and 2.0 cats
Some Tropical Fish
...........and growing!

More laws will not change anything there and certainly will not bring that little girl back

Education is the key and I feel that it is to easy for people to get a hold of animals that are potentially dangerous animals...that needs to change in my opinion...the question becomes do we the community change that ourselves or do we wait for the govt. to step in? I know which route I prefer.
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Joel Thomas

Don't tread on me!

I see your point (and a good one). Yes, we, the community, would prefer to set the types of regulations and not be told what can and can't be. But enacting some form of regulation (or worse, a ban) by the government looks to be inevitable.

Active participation and voicing our concerns via USARK and such are ways that we can influence. But once agreed upon and enacted I'll follow the law.

What I am hoping to avoid is a BAN on reptile import/keeping. If I need to register my animals to be a lawful citizen, I'll do it. Then, the problems that arise are an idividuals fault, not the community's.
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Cheers,
Jessica Gibbs
Ball Pythons; Corn Snakes; Green Tree Python; Jungle Carpet Pythons; Bci; Bcl
3.0 Crazy Dogs and 2.0 cats
Some Tropical Fish
...........and growing!

"Then, the problems that arise are an idividuals fault, not the community's."

That's a big assumption that's been proven wrong time and time again.

NO MATTER how much regulation exists, when someone does something wrong it is ALWAYS USED AS AN EXCUSE FOR MORE REGULATION AND/OR A BAN.

Regulation IS ALWAYS a step toward a ban. That's how they get you, through "reasonable restrictions."

There are no "reasonable restrictions," only small steps down slippery slopes.
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www.bryansboas.com

I apologize, my point isn't necessarily to advocate regulation. In my original reply above, my point was to compare regulation of other "man killers". Dogs, vehicles, etc. None of them are banned, yet kill FAR more people per year than snakes. In our fight to keep our pets/hobby/businesses those points should be made. Snakes are not the only thing that have killed humans that are regulated. Ignorance of the general public shouldn't give legislator's a reason for a ban.

As a citizen, I'd follow the law. As a citizen fighting for rights, I've tried to so my part by mailing my letters and joining groups like USARK.
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Cheers,
Jessica Gibbs
Ball Pythons; Corn Snakes; Green Tree Python; Jungle Carpet Pythons; Bci; Bcl
3.0 Crazy Dogs and 2.0 cats
Some Tropical Fish
...........and growing!

already coming PERIOD! Tell me your solutions?
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Joel Thomas

Don't tread on me!

I already do it.

I only sell to people that i think are capable of taking proper care of, and being responsible for, an animal.
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www.bryansboas.com

There's no need for a Registery. Responsible owners will always be "RESPONSIBLE OWNERS"!!

They'll always properly house their animals. Their snakes will always have enough food, fresh water, and clean cages.

Responsible Owners don't need someone to tell them to be responsible with their exotic snakes.

So, what would the purpose of a Registery serve?? It won't make good owners any better.

NOW.....

If you're "hoping" that it will help elimimate "Irresponsible Owners"......

All I can say is, "don't hold your breath". Cause it's not going to happen.

Only if people are checked on a regular basis will someone make sure their following procedure. Your right responsible owners will stay responsible. This issue is just like firearms. Make all these rules just so a responsible person can legally carry a concealed weapon.ok.. Now what's really to stop the irresponsible people from carrying? Giant constrictors are here to stay even if you make it illegal to own.there is probably at least a million large contrictors in the united states.

My puppy has her rabies shots and must be registered somewhere,
but here we are supposed to pay an annual license just to have a
dog which is highway robbery IMO. It is not a cheap annual fee
either.

I'm EXTREMELY reluctant to register as being a reptile breeder.
Don't get me wrong, I think Burms, Rets, Rocks and Anacondas
should not be available to the public as they currently are.
Boas are smaller and much less dangerous, but to an elected
official there is probably not any difference at all.

The issue of taxes and fees is not a small issue either. If they
see that there is money to be squeezed then they will go after
it. I'm very curious what other FL breeders think and do though.

I have touched on this quite a few times recently.

I feel we the community NEED to regulate ourselves, I DO NOT want the govt. in my business....AT ALL!

Is it too far fetched that we could start a self regulatory program that we would support with dues or a fee? I think we could.

This would require that we have the capacity to house our animals, the ability to care for them properly and above all secure caging and a plan in the case of an escape. This would have to be verified in some way but I think it could be done through certified inspectors approved by our organization, maybe the inspectors could be provided by our local herp societies.

By doing this I think it will show intent on our part to be responsible reptile keepers, may not protect us from all the senseless laws to come down but may exempt us from some.

By regulating ourselves maybe the next time...and there will be a next time, we will have a great defense to use against the law makers.

Maybe we could use an organization already in place such as USARK, maybe then not even have to have inspections, there could be an application and a standard operating procedure form to fill out or review verbally with a USARK director.

The last thought may not be the best idea because with out a physical inspection we would only be protecting us from ourselves...too many people would lie

I would love to hear all thoughts on this and if there are people that feel something like this could work or even be a viable idea, I am more than willing to start communications and form a plan as to how to push some thing like this.
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Joel Thomas

Don't tread on me!

Any other pet or animal keeping communities that do anything
like that?

Where the Gov't allows similar self-regulation or private
regulation?

That we do it ourselves to show intent of responsible reptile keeping....not to ask the govt. for permission

I am sure that there are other pet communities that have regulations to keep a higher standard, I know when I sold boxer pups that I would require that I be able to inspect the property to make sure it was securely fenced...now that was self regulation.

I did have people that refused this and they did not buy dogs from me...did they buy one from someone else more than likely. My point here is that if we could show that we do indeed self regulate through an organization that requires proper housing, I think we would have a better defense if needed.

BTW back to the boxer point I required this because I understand the power of the breed and I was protecting my dog's public reputation.
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Joel Thomas

Don't tread on me!

People that are Responsible Owners already do the right thing. They don't need to register or have inspections. They house their animals properly, feed the regularly, clean them when they need it, and give them fresh water. They have their snakes in proper enclosures that can be "locked". They might even have them in a seperate building or locked room in their house.

People that are going to be responsible owners... already are.

It's these "few" that buy on a whim, not knowing what they'e getting into. They think it's sooooo cute and tiny. Then they grow. Maybe they even become a bit aggressive. They start to ignore their animals. These are the ones that never should have gotten a snake in the first place.

These are the one that give Responsible Owners a bad reputation. We're judged by the actions of these "few" IRRESPONSIBLE OWNERS!!!

How do we tell the difference between a good owner and a BAD ONE!!! It's impossible to know. People just breed their animals and sell them "hoping" they'll be well taken care of. Sure, some of them get sold to good homes. Still, lately I've seen some very Responsible Snake Keepers that have been selling off their collections. These animals that were once well cared for by their original owner are now in the hands of someone new. Hopefully they'll receive good care, but you never know.

OK,

The best way to ensure that Boas, in general, end up in good hands is.....

STOP SELLING THEM SO CHEAP!!!!!!

I realize there's a slump in the ecomomy right now, but the prices are SOOOOOOO LOW!!!!! These animals we love so much are priced to the point that they're becoming..... A DISPOSABLE PET!!! That's right!!! It's cheaper to get rid of the old one and buy a cute new one. Forget about taking them to the vet if they get sick either. It's cheaper to get a new one than to make a "SINGLE" trip to the vet.

If people had to pay a decent price for these animals, they'd think twice before mistreating them. They might actually take the time to learn about them before buying.

When you can get a Hypo for 60 dollars and an Albino for 250 dollars etc...... Something is very wrong!!! It's no wonder that people are starting to look at boas as "DISPOSABLE PETS!"

I put this idea out as a way to possibly help protect the responsible keeper.

I agree that belonging to such an organization will not make me a more responsible keeper, but if it is encouraged there will be people who think they are doing the right thing that are not become educated.

I truly feel like JB that Burmese, African rock, Retic's and anacondas should not be sold in pet stores or to the general public and that would require further self regulation...either way this is a mess we have on our hands.

My opinions expressed are just that, I know in my heart that if we try we will be able to accomplish some type of way to protect ourselves.

As far as charging more money to keep boas in the proper hands is basically saying the more money you have the more responsible you are... You said it yourself that people who are responsible will always be responsible and regulation will not change that....neither does the amount of money you have

Please take all of this as productive conversation, As I understand the two replies you posted you feel that regulation won't work to make any difference whether it be govt. or private.

So do we do nothing or do you have any suggestions? I would love to hear your thoughts

Good topic.
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Joel Thomas

Don't tread on me!

Is what I intended to post
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Joel Thomas

Don't tread on me!

I believe your heart is in the right place, Joel, but I don't see the logic behind what you are proposing.

Forgetting for a moment that regulations don't normally work anyway and that they only inconvenience/annoy responsible people,
there has to be a valid reason for regulation. I'm not clear on what your reason(s) is/are? What exactly is the reason you believe certain species should be banned and/or regulated? What are you trying to prevent? Please define the problem first.

As long as we keep pets, there will ALWAYS be accidental escapes, occasional human injuries, and irresponsible owners (of all types of animals ranging from green anoles to anacondas) who don't take care of their animals. To add to that, the likelihood of an innocent bystander human getting injured by a snake is so small that it's not even close to being a public safety issue. Almost 7 times more people in Florida alone were hit by lightning in the 10 year period 1998-2008 than have been killed by large constrictors in the past 29 years. And of those that were killed by large constrictors, only 3 or 4 were people other than stupid owners of the snakes. So imo the statistics actually show how LOW of a risk big constrictors present.

But again, I'm not sure what you are trying to prevent with your proposed regulations, so maybe public safety is not what you are trying to prevent.

>>I put this idea out as a way to possibly help protect the responsible keeper.
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>>I agree that belonging to such an organization will not make me a more responsible keeper, but if it is encouraged there will be people who think they are doing the right thing that are not become educated.
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>>I truly feel like JB that Burmese, African rock, Retic's and anacondas should not be sold in pet stores or to the general public and that would require further self regulation...either way this is a mess we have on our hands.
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>>My opinions expressed are just that, I know in my heart that if we try we will be able to accomplish some type of way to protect ourselves.
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>>As far as charging more money to keep boas in the proper hands is basically saying the more money you have the more responsible you are... You said it yourself that people who are responsible will always be responsible and regulation will not change that....neither does the amount of money you have
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>>Please take all of this as productive conversation, As I understand the two replies you posted you feel that regulation won't work to make any difference whether it be govt. or private.
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>>So do we do nothing or do you have any suggestions? I would love to hear your thoughts
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>>Good topic.
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>>Joel Thomas
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>>Don't tread on me!

I feel certain that there will be more bans and regulations coming down from our lawmakers, I have many times suggested that we regulate ourselves instead of having the govt. doing it for us.

So what I am suggesting is a way to show that we have shown intent to improve "guidelines" as to how we house our animals as to prevent escape. Regulations may be to harsh of a word but the only one I could come up with at the time.

I feel that if there are enough people that become involved to develope a standard operating procedure through a strongly organized community, that will provide us with a better way to protect ourselves from senseless laws in the future.

The idea behind this is to have people more informed and to take better care of there reptiles, as of right now we are fairly regulation free compared to what is required by law to breed puppies or most animals on a large scale.

I am sure there will be more local and federal laws coming, I think the ones who are organized will be better prepared to defend their posistion...does this make sense?

So hypothetically I belong to such an organization I have been certified through the org. and when I go to sell my animals I am bound by the pledge I took to make sure the seller understands what they are getting into and if they will be able to house the animal as an adult, my thoughts are this would help prevent people from buying a Burmese python and a ten gallon fish tank to house it in.

This will not end irresponsibility but I honestly feel it would help to educate people who want to do the right thing but were mis-informed by the seller. Maybe just a pipe dream...these are just my opinions on how we could protect our hobbies and businesses....I also wish I could explain better with the written word

I am not suggesting that certain animals be banned, I do however feel that there are animals that should not be made available to the general public.
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Joel Thomas

Don't tread on me!

Joel,

I think we (responsible reptile owners) all want to see animals taken care of properly. But I still don't really understand what
you are getting at. There are already *laws* against animal cruelty and releasing non-native animals into the wild, are there not? If state laws don't stop people from being irresponsible, why would some organization or standards booklet stop any more idiots from buying animals they cannot take care of?

Any 10 year old with moderate intelligence can google "Burmese python care sheet" to learn how to properly care for a python. (I'm certainly no brain surgeon, and there was no internet when I was a kid, but I did enough basic research to know I could not care for a big python.) If someone can't do that, then I don't think they can or want to be "educated." The problem lies with idiots, not "we as a community." To be totally honest, I find that "community" talk a bit offensive. I will not take any responsibility for a dummy who buys any animal he/she cannot care for, any more than I will take responsibility for someone who abuses his/her kids or gets in a car with a .20 blood alcohol content. I don't consider those people part of my "parent community" or my "car club."

Having said that, I am a big proponent of educating the general public. I'm constantly recommending that herp owners do educational presentations at local schools, day camps, etc. And I'm certainly not against breeders/sellers refusing to sell ANY animal to someone who obviously can't care for the animal.

The real problem, imo, is that people in general just don't like reptiles, especially big snakes. So all this hysteria is easy to conjure up for the Animals Rights agenda pushers. IMO, we need to fight and debunk the hysteria, not go along with it by blaming ourselves for what a few idiots do.

Also, one more point. The sad reality is a large percentage of ALL reptiles are improperly cared for. I don't know exact statistics, but based on my life experience I wouldn't be surprised if at least half of all reptiles (from anoles to boa constrictors) are improperly cared for. Singling out one or a few species is not consistent, imo.

Sorry for the long rant...

Thanks,
Ed

>>I feel certain that there will be more bans and regulations coming down from our lawmakers, I have many times suggested that we regulate ourselves instead of having the govt. doing it for us.
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>>So what I am suggesting is a way to show that we have shown intent to improve "guidelines" as to how we house our animals as to prevent escape. Regulations may be to harsh of a word but the only one I could come up with at the time.
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>>I feel that if there are enough people that become involved to develope a standard operating procedure through a strongly organized community, that will provide us with a better way to protect ourselves from senseless laws in the future.
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>>The idea behind this is to have people more informed and to take better care of there reptiles, as of right now we are fairly regulation free compared to what is required by law to breed puppies or most animals on a large scale.
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>>I am sure there will be more local and federal laws coming, I think the ones who are organized will be better prepared to defend their posistion...does this make sense?
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>>So hypothetically I belong to such an organization I have been certified through the org. and when I go to sell my animals I am bound by the pledge I took to make sure the seller understands what they are getting into and if they will be able to house the animal as an adult, my thoughts are this would help prevent people from buying a Burmese python and a ten gallon fish tank to house it in.
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>>This will not end irresponsibility but I honestly feel it would help to educate people who want to do the right thing but were mis-informed by the seller. Maybe just a pipe dream...these are just my opinions on how we could protect our hobbies and businesses....I also wish I could explain better with the written word
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>>I am not suggesting that certain animals be banned, I do however feel that there are animals that should not be made available to the general public.
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>>Joel Thomas
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>>Don't tread on me!

So I can explain my thoughts...I have a hard time getting my feelings across with the written word Ed give me a p/m and I will call you, I think i will explain better my thought verbaly to you.
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Joel Thomas

Don't tread on me!

I have no idea of what will work. I would think higher prices on animals will help.

It used to be that a person had to save up, just to purchase one of the "nicer" boas. Now, they're cheap enough to be purchased on a whim.

I used to think that the lower prices were great. It gave a chance for everyone to afford the snake they've always wanted. Even if it was a fancy "Morph".

Now, with all the price wars going on(that's what I call these super low prices)..... Boas are so cheap that "some" view them as "disposable pets".

Just look at how many boas are living in Rubbermaid tubs. Sure some of are "really nice" tubs, but still.... They might be good for young or even sub adult boas, but eventually they really "need" proper cages. They might be economical, but in the long run... At least, by the time they're adults, they need to be out of the Rubbermaids and into proper cages.

Since a person that won't take proper care of their snake will not be likely to register them.... It seems pointless.

Even people that own dogs/cats don't always get them shots and licenses.

I don't think there is an answer yet to this growing problem. What I do know is... If things don't change.... There could very likely be darker days ahead.

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>>Since a person that won't take proper care of their snake will not be likely to register them.... It seems pointless.
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Agreed. In the recent case with the 2 year old child supposedly being killed by the python, the owner was NOT in compliance with Florida law. So this case can be looked at as an example of how regulation DOESN'T work. If this idiot owner didn't bother with state government laws, why would someone like him comply with a private sector organization, assuming he would even know about the organization at all?

But again, there needs to be perspective, imo. As tragic as this accident was, statistically a child is more likely to get hit by lightning twice and then abducted by aliens. Heck, more children die EVERY DAY/WEEK from child abuse than have been killed in the US by constrictors in the last 29 years. Where is the outcry for regulating potential parents?????

I am following you, I personally keep yearling boas in "grow" racks and the adults are kept in proper locking cages.

I have two different models of racks from the same manufacturer one allows me a way to secure the tub in place the other does not forcing me to use the lid and making it tight to remove the tub.

These would be some issues that this hypothetical organization could promote companies to design escape resistant housing, I personally will not keep an adult in a cage that I can not lock with a key.

Here is the double edged sword...during the fight against HR669 we showed the govt. how strong we are....we also showed them how large we are and how many pockets are there for the picking...I think it is just a matter of time before they figure out the tax dollars they are missing out on.

I do not have the answers either but together I am sure we can come up with something
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Joel Thomas

Don't tread on me!

The whole pet subject always seems to be a sensitive subject.I believe your right about the cost of the pet when it comes to being disposable. To me by using the term pet. It becomes that and no more. For some the animals we take into our care they become part of the family. They loose the word pet.I would say most people are willing to spend a hundred bucks on a fifty dollar animal when the animal is part of the family.
As far as pricing goes. Well that's touchy to. When we buy what we have termed high quality( snakes that have certain characterisitics) as an investment. Well the word investment is something altogether different than pet or family. Business then becomes the main focus regarding the animal.sure I believe it is true that even if a person was buying a investment quality boa he or she will be more motivated to keep the snake properly maintained because you don't want to see your hard earned dollars go down the drain.

I have no problem with registering. In my opinion doing this would show the public that we have nothing to hide, or to really worry about. I also believe that some species need to be banned altogether, and only zoo's or bonafide researchers should be allowed to harbor such animals.

chris

There is very little discussion about the ban on the actual Burmese python forum....whats up with that?
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Joel Thomas

Don't tread on me!

A troll keeps popping up and the post end up being deleted.

Ernie Eison
WESTWODD ACRES REPTILE FARM INC.

I would like to know more and you always have good information.
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Joel Thomas

Don't tread on me!

...by the government and the oligarchy (Goldman Sachs) etc...sorry but they need to get a grip on reality and we need to get a grip on them...I also think irresponsible should not be allowed to keep potentialy dangerous animals, reptiles inluded, nor should they be allowed to breed. (not the animals, the people).

stupid from breeding especially people LOL...
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Joel Thomas

Don't tread on me!

Now that I am completely in agreement with!! ROFL! They should come up with a ban to keep stupid(s) from reproducing... that would solve all our problems and the governments.
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Steph S.
Boas...
1.1 Albino boas (Loki & Hope)
1.1 Sunglow (Rojo and Temperance (25% Suriname))
1.4 07 Het. albino boas (Petty & Lady,Sierra,Madeline,Lola)
0.1 Reverse stripe poss. het albino (Cookie)
0.1 Salmon/hypo (Scarlet)
1.0 Anery (Reno)
1.0 Probable Super Salmontine(Kahn)
0.1 Salmontine (Sonya)
2.0 DH Sunglow (Gabrielle and Dumah)
1.0 Hypo het anery (Don Juan)
1.1 07 Hypo pos. triple hets (Rico Suave & Pumpkin)
1.0.1 Het. Anery (Guy & ?)
0.1 2007 Mostly striped boa (Andromeda)
0.3 Normals (Ophelia, Sasha, & Lulu)
1.0 Surinames (Solomon & Surreal(deceased)
1.3 Hog Isles (Mr.Orange & Peaches, Tang, Isis)
0.0.1 Central American (Sassy)
1.0 ATB (Satan... seriously!)
Pythons...
2.1 GTPs (B., Monty & Jewel)
0.0.2 BPs ( Precious, Houdini)
1.2 Carpet Pythons (Jackson, Charlotte, & Cassandra)
1.2 Blood python (Akaia, Thorn, Elliot)
1.1 Borneo Blood Pythons (Donovan and Deanna)
1.2 Children's Pythons (Spot, Freckle and Speckle)
Misc.
1.1 Mandarin Ratsnakes (Jack & Jill)
1.0 Boxer/Pitt Mutt (Tyson)
1.0 Saharan Uromastyx

Depends on "stupid" breeding...not to offend unless you take offense We do not need more or less government..just one that works for us ....the employer!!!!
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Joel Thomas

Don't tread on me!

Well, I meant if stupids stopped breeding maybe we'd have less stupid people causing problems (as in the case where the python killed the little girl, folks releasing animals, etc.) where the government feels they need to intervene... not that they would stop intervening, but it sounds like you may have taken it as if "stupids" stopped breeding we'd have no government (ie- less government). I'm not sure if I got that wrong, but I got a chuckle out of it either way! LOL!
Cheers!
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Steph S.
Boas...
1.1 Albino boas (Loki & Hope)
1.1 Sunglow (Rojo and Temperance (25% Suriname))
1.4 07 Het. albino boas (Petty & Lady,Sierra,Madeline,Lola)
0.1 Reverse stripe poss. het albino (Cookie)
0.1 Salmon/hypo (Scarlet)
1.0 Anery (Reno)
1.0 Probable Super Salmontine(Kahn)
0.1 Salmontine (Sonya)
2.0 DH Sunglow (Gabrielle and Dumah)
1.0 Hypo het anery (Don Juan)
1.1 07 Hypo pos. triple hets (Rico Suave & Pumpkin)
1.0.1 Het. Anery (Guy & ?)
0.1 2007 Mostly striped boa (Andromeda)
0.3 Normals (Ophelia, Sasha, & Lulu)
1.0 Surinames (Solomon & Surreal(deceased)
1.3 Hog Isles (Mr.Orange & Peaches, Tang, Isis)
0.0.1 Central American (Sassy)
1.0 ATB (Satan... seriously!)
Pythons...
2.1 GTPs (B., Monty & Jewel)
0.0.2 BPs ( Precious, Houdini)
1.2 Carpet Pythons (Jackson, Charlotte, & Cassandra)
1.2 Blood python (Akaia, Thorn, Elliot)
1.1 Borneo Blood Pythons (Donovan and Deanna)
1.2 Children's Pythons (Spot, Freckle and Speckle)
Misc.
1.1 Mandarin Ratsnakes (Jack & Jill)
1.0 Boxer/Pitt Mutt (Tyson)
1.0 Saharan Uromastyx

That was an attempt at humor....kinda
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Joel Thomas

Don't tread on me!