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I do not have this pair any more, but am still wondering what Subspecies of Mexicana they were.....

I have a LONG story to tell about them and want to hear opinions as to what everyone thinks they are.....

Click on the Thumbnails to enlarge....

THE FEMALE...

THE MALE

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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

Here are some larger pics you don't have to click on.....

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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

I think they have thayeri influence. will tell you why the next time we talk.
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Michelle
All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful:
The Lord God made them all.

Mess with my head some more...LOOKS like some greeri got into the thayeri, especially in the head pattern, but I am going to say thayeri, because even though we all make mistakes, I don't think you would have for some reason...hmmm.
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Todd Hughes

>>Mess with my head some more...LOOKS like some greeri got into the thayeri, especially in the head pattern, but I am going to say thayeri, because even though we all make mistakes, I don't think you would have for some reason...hmmm.
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>>Todd Hughes

I didn't produce these Todd....I picked them up at the ETHS show years back....

Let's see if I get any more responses....
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

almost look like pyro/greeri or pyro/ thayeri. Funny thing, Lee A. had some (L.p.pyromelana X L.m. greeri)he called "pyro/gyro" for kix I guess. When bred together a few generations....most began to look very much like L.ruthveni!

:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

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>>almost look like pyro/greeri or pyro/ thayeri. Funny thing, Lee A. had some (L.p.pyromelana X L.m. greeri)he called "pyro/gyro" for kix I guess. When bred together a few generations....most began to look very much like L.ruthveni!

Wow....Dan Vermilya told me the same thing a few years back about these......And we all thought Lee Abot bread pure thayeri all the time.....lol

Let me get some more replies before I post the 'story'...
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

Well...I know a guy who bought two pairs of adults from him..I think they were the "originals"..Anyway, hE bred albino ruthven's into them and I believe the offspring and adults were sold as such.
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

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I think it was 2000 when I bought this pair....
It was my second ETHS show in Houston. In 1999 I saw these on a vendors table and asked what they were...The vendor said PURE Greeri. I passed on the buy, but in 2000 the same vendor was there so I conversed with him the history of these snakes. He said that he had worked at the Forth Worth Zoo or Houston Zoo (I don't remember), but he did mentions Dave Blody's name alot...He said they were from wild collected Greeri back in the 80s....He also stated that he had been line breeding them since then and this is all that popped out....Light looking thayeri crosses IMHO...
The vendor's name is Robert Hunkapillar...I went back to the show in 2001 and he was not there and have never heard from or seen him again.

I posted these snakes when this subforum first started and had many conversations with Dan Vermilya about them. We did scale counts and everything matched the Greeri range, but something was different about them.
The first words out of his mouth was that he thought they had Pyromelena influence....Not Thayeri. Hid did mention Lee Abotts Pyro/Gyro.....
John Cherry even chimed in to say there were mere Mixicana or Mix Mix.....

The female perished from not feeding for me....I kept the male for a project to try and prove something out, but he too perished in the A/C incident in 2006....

I guess we'll never know, but I wanted to hear some opinions solely based on pictures....

Thanks for the responses....
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."