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My little R. Brev has been acting very strange lately. She's been on the ground on one side of her enclosure walking back and forth...she climbs up the glass to turn around, and occasionally I see her with her nose stuck kind of in the ground...as if she's drinking, but there is no water there. She's also been more dark brown most of the time...and even with a hint of green...weird, huh? She's normally a nice light color with darker stripe, and blotches.

Nothing has changed...at all...I'm wondering a few things. Just because R. Brev's can live together doesn't mean that they have to, right? I mean, does she need a mate or buddy? I wouldn't think so...but it's just very strange. I got some tiny silkies in, and I offered her one...watched and watched it but didn't eat it. I don't see her eat like I used to...she's being shy lately. Going to try some FF that I just got in, and maybe try the silkies again.

She's CB, about 5 months old, never been with another cham since I got her...she was the last one that the Kammer's had, so she was alone then too, for quite awhile. I have the 5.0 UV light on her, no basking light (it seems to get too hot in her little enclosure), and I mist about 3 times a day...at the very least 2.

Thanks for any input!
Kristen
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Hey Kristen,

She sounds sad It's hard when we can't figure out what they want, isn't it? Not to freak you out but before I quarantined Makeda she had been spending more time on the ground (it was the night that she didn't go to her usual sleeping place with Kaiya that I worried - she spent the whole night on the ground and that is when I separated her from Kaiya and Bart). I had this big, cool piece of driftwood and she would sometime go behind it and then up into it (part had rotted out and was like a little cave). This is why at first she was looking for a place to lay eggs. She hung around on the ground and close to the glass. Kaiya did that, too.

There may be no correlation b/t yours and mine but all I can tell you is what I had observed. Is there anyway she can be gravid??? I know you said she was alone at Kammers' but could there have been a little hanky-panky when no one was looking. Kids are doing it younger and younger these days

lele

>>My little R. Brev has been acting very strange lately. She's been on the ground on one side of her enclosure walking back and forth...she climbs up the glass to turn around, and occasionally I see her with her nose stuck kind of in the ground...as if she's drinking, but there is no water there. She's also been more dark brown most of the time...and even with a hint of green...weird, huh? She's normally a nice light color with darker stripe, and blotches.
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>>Nothing has changed...at all...I'm wondering a few things. Just because R. Brev's can live together doesn't mean that they have to, right? I mean, does she need a mate or buddy? I wouldn't think so...but it's just very strange. I got some tiny silkies in, and I offered her one...watched and watched it but didn't eat it. I don't see her eat like I used to...she's being shy lately. Going to try some FF that I just got in, and maybe try the silkies again.
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>>She's CB, about 5 months old, never been with another cham since I got her...she was the last one that the Kammer's had, so she was alone then too, for quite awhile. I have the 5.0 UV light on her, no basking light (it seems to get too hot in her little enclosure), and I mist about 3 times a day...at the very least 2.
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>>Thanks for any input!
>>Kristen
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You are too funny...I don't know about hanky panky...I guess I could call and ask them if she was, in fact, alone. She was so tiny, that if she wasn't with clutch mates, then I would think that there would be nothing else small enough to put her with. So, I think it's very unlikely that she is gravid...she is also not fat at all.

She's still going up in her tree to sleep, but this behavior during the day is worrying me. My son will be devastated if we lose another one...he's just now starting to not mention "Aubie" as much. What on earth can I do? These little ones are so hard...I just have no idea what it could be.

Thanks
Kristen
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That is the only thing I can think of...what would I do if she were coming down with or if she has a URI??? I guess the first thing would be to get her into a well ventilated enclosure...all of mine are tanks...so any ideas on that? It sure would be nice if there were a way to turn tanks into partial glass and partial screen. Anyone creative around here? LOL!

What is the treatment for a URI?? Is it even possible for a tiny cham?

Kristen
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I'm so worried...I can't lose the little CB baby that I have...my confidence will go down the tubes if I can't even keep a CB alive.

Has anyone else ever seen this pacing behavior before? The trying to climb the walls stuff??? The only time I saw it before was when a gravid female was looking for a place to lay...or when they were getting aquainted with their enclosure. She can't be gravid...she's too tiny and not fat at all.

Please help...

Kristen
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Try re-arranging her enclosure. Maybe she does not like one thing or another?

Perhaps putting paper on the outside of the glass - to keep her from seeing out? Maybe she thinks she can get out?

Maybe she sees the reflection on the glass..and wants to be social?

I guess the question is: is she eating? drinking? sleeping? Does her fecal look good?

Also - do you have pics of your current one? Id be curious to see it.

Either gravid and trying to lay eggs. She could have an unfertile clutch she will lay. Or she has some sort of discomfort either temp humidity or she is unhappy with something about her environment. Can she see anything new from her cage? It could be some minute detail you have overlooked.
Sonia

Thanks Sonia...that actually makes me feel better. Now, what to do...she was born mid-April, so that makes her 5 months old. R. Brev's reach sexual maturity early, I know, but she doesn't look fat at all...she's barely 1 1/2" inches long...the eggs would have to be the size of a BB in order for her to actually lay them. She's just SO tiny still! She hasn't even shed since I got her...is that weird too? Would her maybe about to shed have anything to do with it...I did notice she is kind of chalky colored, but I'm not sure if that's whatever is wrong with her or if she's about to shed.

I'm worried to change anything in her enclosure until I know she's not trying to lay eggs...don't want to stress her out and have her decide to not lay them if this is what is going on.

Thanks again...what would you do in this situation?

Take care
Kristen
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Chams with URI tend to sit still as they are having more trouble breathing. I tend to think she's either receptive for the first time (what time of year is breeding season for brevs anyone?) and wanting to roam in search of a mate, or her terrarium is not what she wants. The glass may be frustrating her if instinct is telling her to roam and she can't understand why the glass won't let her.

This makes sense to me. I'm glad to hear that it doesn't sound like a URI...that is just the first thing that I thought of and what I worry about since she is in a tank. I'm thinking of trying to find a small enclosure like the one I just ordered for our Carpet cham (2 sides glass, 2 sides screen with screen top, and glass up partways on the screen side to hold in substrate). I've e-mailed the company that I got that from to see if they will make me a smaller version of that.

Sooooo...does this mean that I need to get her a boyfriend??? LOL! All I need are babies to find homes for...but it would be fun.

Kristen
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It may not be absolutely necessary to breed her, it may just be a reason for her change in behavior. I don't know when their breeding season is (would the Kammers know?) but it might be triggered by cooling temps in fall. Maybe they could also tell you if she will produce infertile eggs or not.