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A few days ago wenn I open the eggs I was very suprised.
From three egss from a normal ballpython female to a superpastel male there was one baby who looks like a superpastel.
Have someone else the same experience?

Piet and Monika Nuijten
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Wow, I don't know if that is a superpastel. Maybe a hidden gene in your "normal"?
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The pattern looks extremely reduced. You may have something very nice and totally unexpected on your hands. Good for you! Please post more pics when the baby comes out. Also, post pics of the mother & clutch mates if you can.

~np!

That doesn't look like any super pastel I can recall seeing.

That doesn't look like any other ball python I can recall seeing.

I don't know what it is. I think you might just have to tell us all - when you name it!

Congratulations on hatching a really pretty little snake!

~Bruce

well when you breed a super pastel to a normal...i believe babies should be pastels, super pastels, and normals...i dont quite remember and to lazy to look it up..

When a superpastel is bred to a normal all the babies should be pastel. No supers or normals.
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Super Pastel X Normal = SHOULD be all Pastels, NO normals, NO Super pastels.

With that said there are a few things that could be at work here:

1) You have another gene influencing the phenotype of your "pastel" that is an Allele to pastel. (Think Crystal Ball, Superstripe, and any of the white snake complex snakes like a Lesser Mojave Leucy)

2) You have another gene influencing the phenotype of your "pastel" that is not an allele (Think Bumblebee x normal = pastels, spiders, normals, and Bumblebees)

3) That during recombination/segregation the "normal" allele was lost/discarded and the pastel allele was cloned to replace it, leaving you with a homozygous animal, where you should only have hets. This is the least likely of the three (though it does happen, if you look at Ralph Davis' breeding records from last year or the year before, he got a clown out of a clutch that should have only produced hets if i recall correctly).

Irregardless of which one, beautiful animal and can't wait to see more pics and congrats

Super pastel x normal should get 100% pastel. That baby looks real nice (whatever it is) hope to see more pics soon
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Hello Piet,
I had a super out of a pastel X normal breeding a couple years ago


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Thanks for all this response.
Here some pictures from the mother and I think I must wait and the time will tell us if this is a new morph or not.
I'm voor 300% sure the female is not a ugly pastel!!!

Here also a pictures from the three baby's.

Here another picture.

it's possible, although very rare that the developing embryo for some reason lacks the normal allele of the "morph" gene so the mutated one dupicates itself.
a couple months ago a guy had a supermojave form mojave X normal breeding
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Forgive me if you answered this already, or addressed it in your original post.

Was this female a virgin? If not what had you bred her to previously?
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May be just a pastel ?

I remember a thread from Corey Woods ( I think last year) where he was trying to get the Super Pastel Red Axanthic.

There was a super pastel that was either het red or red. But there was another dead one, that got him confused. He was way lighter than the other one. So it was either a super pastel red and the other one a super pastel het red, or they were both super pastel red. But the dead babies didn't color up all the way.

That's what it looks like. May be something in the development of this baby make it lighter.

Well, he is nothing more than a ball python
And you gonna have to test different stuff if you want to prove something here.
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This is whats great about this hobby still today. You dont neccesarily have to spend tons of money and have a 3 thousand snake collection to breed something totally cool and really exciting. That is whats awesome to me! You never, ever know what you are going to hatch. While very rare, it still can happen to you too from a male snake that looks cool and you pay $50 and breed it to your normal female..you never, ever know.

Whatever mutation you just threw with that pairing, it seems to be touching in the other two babies as well. Especially the baby all the way to the right in those photos. It's head seems super light compared to the rest of it's body color to me... or maybe its just my eyes, I could be wrong.
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