Reptile & Amphibian Forums

I have bred BPs for a few years but I confess that I am not up to date with all the morphs out there (I tend to prefer the heterozygous morphs and still think piebalds are the most interesting). I have an adult pair of het Butterscotch Ghost BPs that produced three animals just like the one pictured last year. Unfortunately I decided to tinker with a new incubator design and the animals were found dead in the egg. There were far too many unknown variables to consider the three animals to be genetic and I eagerly anticipated this year’s breeding trials. I slit eggs on day 51 to observe the soon to be hatchlings and I saw the little guy/girl pictured with this post. The animal is halfway out tonight and I will take more pictures this week.

Is this animal an existing morph? If so what genotype is needed to produce them? Hatching time is always exciting but this takes the cake.
I will post pics of last year’s babies tomorrow.
Hope everyone else is finding success as well,
Phil Bradley

Interesting photo. I am VERY MUCH looking forward to seeing the entire clutch out of the egg. Interesting indeed...
-----
Bill Buchman

I will send you a picture of mine if you send me your e-mail address. I guess this is you showed me yours.....if I could, I'll show you mine. Again......... my email is tmlascola@comcast.net.

Thank you,
Ted Lascola

Wow Phil, I need to call over and see these. Send me an email.

Warren
-----
Dr Warren Booth / Director USARK
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology

Personally I think the animal doesnt look to healthy, like it may not make it. I hope Im wrong its awsome looking I will keep my fingers crossed.
-----
Damian Macioce
www.strongholdreptiles.com

My guess is they were het for genetic stripe as well. Very nice. Congrats!
-----
www.brandonosbornereptiles.com

...as someone else mentioned...we saw Kick's striped ghost...I saw it in person....sweet sweet snake...but not anything like this creature for sure...

this is a freak or a combo we have yet to figure out(duh,no crap)...

this is very cool.....

I been using butterscotch hets and ghosts for years.....I never see this stuff...>LOL....

....THIS needs to be refined IF possible.....cool "wanna get it" snake for us all.....
-----
JY
Scales-N-Tails
reptiles ltd.

Maybe it is a hypo genetic stripe? (Genetic stripe is also a simple recessive trait, both parents would be het for hypo and stripe.) Be sure to post some more pics once they are out and when they have shed. Congrats!
-----
-Jeff
http://jefflumanreptiles.com

Great looking snake. Not sure what it is for sure, but if you were able to hit 4 double recessive morphs in only two clutches I envy your luck.
-----
John Vandegrift

Man that's really cool looking! I'm with Bill please do share what the overall clutch looks like! I may be going WAY out on a limb here, but to me thats some sort of codom Super form causing the pattern to do that, plus the Ghost gene possibly on top of that making the color off as well? Just my gut feeling, never seen anything like this before so I might be off a little here (like that sounded good coming from me LOL), take that hunch for what it's worth anyway! Still good problems to figure out I say! Best of luck man!

BTW I could use a little of your luck over here as it looks like you do have some extra luck to spare!

Anthony McCain

I bred a het ghost male to a normal female back in 07. On day 52 or 53 i cut the eggs This one was in there. He did no it make it. There was no genetic stripe in the mix that I knew of. The male was CBB of course and the female was a long term captive that I still have. Good luck with yours.

-----
Thanks and Take Care
Thomas Jones
sweetpetsshop2@yahoo.com

I do not believe its is a Genetic stripe Hypo. Here is a link to one produced by Kick Bros. Now owned by the boa basement.
THe sides on tis snake is to clean to be G stripe.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.boabasement.com/hypogeneticstripe.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.boabasement.com/ball.htm&usg=__IHFddt3UKs60TdH5HnIocuSiWeU=&h=201&w=288&sz=37&hl=en&start=8&um=1&tbnid=IVMvUoRWJoSt0M:&tbnh=80&tbnw=115&prev=/images?q=Hypo+genetic+stripe&hl=en&rlz=1T4GZAY_enUS242US242&um=1
-----
Thanks and Take Care
Thomas Jones
sweetpetsshop2@yahoo.com

I received the pair of adult hets from Terry. She told me you had bred them once previously but didn't mention the strange animal you produced. I have attached pictures of last years babies. I have so many questions about these animals now?

1) Is the male het Butterscotch also het for something (G Stripe?) or maybe co-dom/incomplete dom for something else entirely? I thought we may be dealing with a second simple recessive trait (due my het to het breedings) but it looks like the male may be soley responsible for producing these guys.

2) Is the trait "weak" due to the high number of mortalities? My 2009 animal came out of the egg just as I was leaving for work. It seemed fine (tongue flicking, normal movement, etc) but time will tell. I attributed my losses in '08 due to a new incubator technique (the humidity was very high) but I just don't know.

3) What the heck is going on with these guys????? Guess I will be holding everybody back to keep testing.

Shoot me and E-mail with your number or call me @ (252)565-5148
-----
Thanks and Take Care
Thomas Jones
sweetpetsshop2@yahoo.com

So what does the father and mother look like? I would like to see those pics and maybe that will help decide if your dealing with a codom or recessive gene. I'm sure it won't look that unique but some of this codom stuff is pretty subtle but still is visual to the right people.

Anthony McCain

Whats weird is that is was bred to a normal girl and got the same result. Hope all goes well with the new snakes.
-----
Thanks and Take Care
Thomas Jones
sweetpetsshop2@yahoo.com

... I would wager that the hatchling from this year does not survive. Too bad -- cool animal.
-----
Bill Buchman

but repeated tests will be needed to make any decent hypothesis. The '09 baby is alive and fine, I will take a picture or two when I get home tonight.

I would think that that statement is a little premature. Given that Phil has already stated he screwed with incubation last year, I would think there is no reason to say it is a lethal gene combination. The only concern I have is that the eggs were cut on day 52. If anything the snakes health incompromised by that.
I hope my predictions are right and this snake survives.

What about the rest of the clutch Phil?

Warren
-----
Dr Warren Booth / Director USARK
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology

Hey Warren,
I posted pics of the clutch (the portion that had hatched) somewhere in this thread. This pairing of BPs tends to give me a hatch length of 53 days on average (at 88-89 F). Last year I did not slit the eggs (in fact I rarely if ever slit eggs before this year) and I waited for all the animals to pip on their own. Needless to say I found the three dead mystery guys around day 60. I revised my thinking on manual egg pipping during a weekend sea turtle trek I helped lead (long story I will tell it to you over a beer someday) and this year I have experienced no problems.

Take care

1st pic: The hypo sibs to the 3 mystery BPs
2nd pic: Hypo, normal sib, and unrelated yellowbelly

The '09 hatchling is doing well and I will take some pics tomight.

Here is the clutch thus far. I have two more hypos and one normal looking BP left to hatch. The strange animal is smaller than the rest and appears to have absorbed its yolk earlier or had less volume to deal with as the animal did not come out with the somehwat distended look that most hatchlings have.

The hatchling is doing ok as of today and I will take many more pictures after it sheds for the first time.

That animal is beautiful!! I hope all goes well with him/her!!! Congrats! Keep us updated for sure!!

That snake is awsome! It sux that you lost 3 last year.... keep the pics coming!

whatever it is, hope it will be healthy and well because it certainly appears to be quite stunning!! That thing is BRIGHT...

Good luck and keep posting updates!!

Regards,
Bristen.

>>Here is the clutch thus far. I have two more hypos and one normal looking BP left to hatch. The strange animal is smaller than the rest and appears to have absorbed its yolk earlier or had less volume to deal with as the animal did not come out with the somehwat distended look that most hatchlings have.
>>
>>The hatchling is doing ok as of today and I will take many more pictures after it sheds for the first time.
>>
>>
>>
-----
___________________________
www.RoyalGemReptiles.com

Well, wasn't going to post this, but there are more out there so here it is.

is that snake alive? do you have new pics of it?