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Well, our Male Cinnamon was sure a prolific stud muffin, we paired him with our VPI Albino poss het Axanthic this year, she produced 5 beautiful eggs, this was her first clutch, they eggs pipped perfectly, and we got a ratio of 2 Cinnamons 100% het Albino and 3 Normals 100% het Albinos...But one of the Cinnamons was different than any other Cinnamon we have ever hatched.

Here it is next to a Cinnamon from a different clutch....Could this truely be an Axanthic Cinnamon? What do you think?

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Amanda Kingsbury & David Kendrick

Congrats on your clutch! Please post pics of the axanthic-appearing one after it sheds.
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David, there is lots of posts about certain lines of Albinos throwing hets that look Axanthic when they hatch. My guess is thats whats going on here. Congrats on a nice clutch.

I remember the Axanthic looking pinstripe...This is the first time I have ever encountered something like this, I now can't wait for it to have its first shed...

Didn't someone hatch out a Axanthic Cinnamon this year, I tried to find it but couldn't find the pics.

I know for a fact that this line is straight from VPI and was produced by Ryan Young. I don't know how many lines VPI had, but I know the one I am working with is VPI. It would be interesting to know what the lines where that produced the Axanthic looking Pinstripe was...

thanks for the reply...
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Amanda Kingsbury & David Kendrick

Im not sure about which lines. Some people say it is fairly common in the faded Albino lines. Not sure about the Axanthic Cinnamon pics. Thats not much help lol.

BUT these are from poss het axanthics not just amel and het amel lines...

you will know fast if it's just a het albino blushing cinamon or a real axanthic cinny....

looks like a real one so far.....

Good Luck...!!!

(I get alot of blushers here .....you got a good chance it;s real!)...

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JY
Scales-N-Tails
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They are from A pos het Axanthic. Only the female was pos het. Its much more likely it is one of those hets that hatches and looks Axanthic.

For sure...The thought crossed my mind that after it sheds it will color up..but the sibling Cinnamon looks like all the other Cinnamons we have ever hatched out, I have hatched out more than a dozen Cinnamons for different pairings and none of them ever came out looking like this...

So I guess we will see, I havn't sexed it yet, but I am hoping its a male and I can breed it back to the Albino poss het Mother...That would be interesting...
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Amanda Kingsbury & David Kendrick

If it's not, it's still awesome.
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Michael Joliff, posting as SurfinsSerpents, put up an Axanthic Pewter not long ago. See
http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1721386,1721386

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I'd say you have a male Cinnamon het axanthic as the father and you just proved mom to be het. With all the possible hets out there, I'd say there are a lot more hidden recessive genes floating around that people just don't know about. I have a friend that sells his 25% or less possible het pieds for the same price as normals and sells them as normals. If one of those are actually het and someone buys it and breeds it, they could be passing around the gene. I personally think this happens far more than people think.

Our Female Albino is a VPI and is possible het VPI Axanthic, I was thinking the chances of the Cinnamon being also het VPI Axanthic would have to be really small, unlike the Albinos there seems to be quite a few Axanthic lines that are not compatable.

Our Cinnamon sired so far 4 clutches, with with 4 different females, and all came out looking like Cinnamons should except this one. When I first got a good look at it, I got all excited and grabbed the camera, but the more I think about it, the more I am doubting it really is a true Axanthic Cinnamon. That thread on the Snow and Axanthic Pinstrip keep popping into my head, and what they looked like after they shed, those truely could have passed off as being a Snow and Axanthic Pinstripe, sure had me convinced, along with lots of other people, but after they shed, it was clear they where not what we thought.

We will see, I can't wait till it sheds!!
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Amanda Kingsbury & David Kendrick

I know I personally sold off at least 10 50% possible het Desert Ghost males last season as normals. Along with a few 66% possible het ghost males. So yea it does happen quite alot.
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Damian Macioce
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Jolliff also produced an axantic cinnimon in the clutch with the axantic pewter....5 egg clutch yielded 1 normal, 1 axantic, 1 pastel axantic, 1 cinnimon axantic, 1 axantic pewter...waiting for them to shed to update pics...