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I am new to bairds and just got this subadult male bairds in a trade. He is extremely light with very little silver. I'm trying to find out if he is a hypo or albino or a hybrid. Are there pure bairdi albinos out there? He was originally bought as a hatchling from a pet store in Salt Lake City. Here are some pics. Sorry for the poor pics, my camera broke so I had to use the wifes. Chris Drake

Looks like it could be hypo to me. Could also be a very, very light normal.

Good looking snake - whatever it is!

byron.d

Hmm,..that quite possibly looks like it could very well be an uncommon form of hypomelanism such as in the below pic. If there is ANY black/brown scales at all on the animal(no matter how minute and scattered), then it's a hypo. I haven't heard yet of an amelanistic gene(albinism) in bairdi in the hobby yet, but ANYTHING'S certainly possible nowadays.

What color are the actual pupils of the eye?(not the iris).

Anyhow, nice looking animal,...it looks to have all the proper hues of color and pattern that a "pure" bairdi would have, hopefully it's not a hybrid, because they do nothing but add confusion to this hobby in my opinion..LOL!

~Doug

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Hey Doug, No biggie...just pointing out that the photo you posted belongs to me. It's posted on my website (and I posted it on a few other forums). I'm about to pick up a 2nd pair to make a 2.2 group of the Hypo (or at least what everyone is calling them) Bairdi.

Graham Criglow
Strange Cargo Exotics
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My sincere apologies Graham, for forgetting to mention the photo credit. Those are really nice looking animals you have.

Good luck with acquiring those additional ones you mentioned as well!....they look absolutely genuine to me!

best regards, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

>>I am new to bairds and just got this subadult male bairds in a trade. He is extremely light with very little silver. I'm trying to find out if he is a hypo or albino or a hybrid. Are there pure bairdi albinos out there? He was originally bought as a hatchling from a pet store in Salt Lake City. Here are some pics. Sorry for the poor pics, my camera broke so I had to use the wifes. Chris Drake
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If it's not a hybrid, which I don't really see markers saying it is, then I would have to go with hypo.
I still haven't seen an actual albino bairdi.
I have seen a few supposed albinos but the pupils weren't red, that says hypo to me. same as yours.
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But I can't guarantee anything I just said....lol
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Thanks for the replies. It does look like the pic Doug posted. The pupils look brown rather than black and from the right angle the eye looks to have a pink hue to it but it may just be me wishful thinking. There is no black or brown scales anywhere on the snake. Other than the silver on the head and a little silver on the striping the coloration is pink, orange and what appears to be more white than silver. I'm going to take it to a friends with a good macro lense and get better pics.

Chris

Yeah, it could even be a form of "extreme" hypomelanism as in Honduran and a couple other types. Another thing to consider is the possibility of it being a tyrosinase positive albino. With us knowing zero about it's genetic background, it's impossible to say with absolute certainty, as they both look virtually identical to the eye and without doing test breeding, or a "dopa" test done in a laboratory for the presence of a protein pre-cursor for melanin to be synthesized properly(tyrosinase), I'm leaning more toward it being a very reduced case of hypomelanism, since at least those are known to be produced today in limited quantity.

We look forward to some more quality shots of your bairds!

best regards, ~Doug

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Looks like a true (non hybrid) Baird's to me, certainly one of the best looking hypo's I have seen in years.

Here are some better shots of my bairds ratsnake. Let me know what you guys think. I do think he is a pure bairds. There are no signs or marks that indicate otherwise. Some people believe it is a T albino. He just looks a little lighter than that to me. He should be a stunning adult.

The last pic that is dirt on his face not mites! Pics were taken outside.

Chris Drake

I've had 1.2, and they all look like that. I've also seen examples from several different breeders. The males, of course, are lighter. The light caramel blotches on the neck is the giveaway, along with the dark but not quite black eyes.

Thanks Dusty. I wasn't second guessing you after you answered me, I just liked showing him off. I'm happy I got him.

chris

Looks great Chris...like the photos. Just to clarify (since Doug didn't)...the photo he posted was taken by me. I had it posted on my website and a few other forums... It's the endless argument on what extactly to call these... hypo or albinos... either way, they are awesome animals.

Graham Criglow
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