Reptile & Amphibian Forums

Hey guys, been meaning to share this. Cant figure out if it is "x head" or "raccoon" phase? Help.

That IS pretty bizarre for a campbelli to sport a snout/head like that. Cool indeed!

~Doug
-----
"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Wow Shawn,

assuming that is a completely pure campbelli, it's a really sweet one. Nice sockhead and really unusual head dress on that one. Did you produce it?

I've hatched a bunch o' weird ones back in the day, and I've been lucky enough to re-acquire a pair of locality-specific F4 campbelli (descendants from imports circa 1985 via D. Blody) just last year. I anticipate their eggs to begin to pip in the next couple weeks.

Very nice snake indeed, and it's good to see some of that kinda stuff still around and appreciated. I remember Gary Sipperly of SDRB having some killer ones as well. If you have any more sockheads please do share!

My re-acquired Blody female...

Some weirdo sockheads i produced circa 1996, Sipperly stock...

And one of several adult Orange campbelli circa 1996, D. Wilson (7 Gen.) stock (also via Blody)....I'm still kicking myself for practically giving these away....and this was the ugliest male believe it or not....

" alt="Image">
-----
Jerry Kruse

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

Yes, those are really awesome looking as well, Jerry! I really wish I still had the insane apricot pair I had many years ago. I "cherry-picked" through a bunch that were in a 5 gallon bucket and FINALLY decided on a killer pair. Thing is, they were all so friggin' vivid orange, that it took quite a long time for me to decide exactly which ones I wanted...haha!

BTW, I miss good ol' Garry Sipperly in the herp trade, he had some really nice stuff!

~Doug

-----
"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Man, what happened to the really nice clean pueblans that you all have pictures of? Even the ones with that really bright white... It seems that all the adults I see online are extremely tipped up... that's one of the reasons I tend to shy away from them...

Alot of what was being bred 10 - 20 years ago has been subject to a number of demises (i.e.: outcrossing, hybridization, crossing, human boredome, etc...) that has compromised many hobbyist's/breeder's ability to not only define but most-often an ability to even locate early generation stock. I've heard so many say "oh man I wish I could get that stuff back", including myself. Of course many have had their reasons -- significant personal life changes, going back to school, having kids, etc etc etc......and then there are camps that intentionally decide to muck around for purposes that I will likely never comprehend (hybridizing, crossing, etc).

Bottom line is that you don't see much of the founder lineage continually bred true anymore....which is why I worked my tookus off for almost an entire year trying to re-acquire my old pair of campbelli (which are some of the cleanest/brightest campbelli I've seen and come from D. Wilson's Seven Generations Reptiles old "white-coral" Pueblan line). Moreover, they're locality-specific-guaranteed as per my re-confirming conversation with Dave Blody earlier this year. So I'm stoked, and look forward to keeping this line going hopefully for those that can appreciate something that has not only great phenotype expression but also authentic genetic history.

And I agree with you. I'm not particularly enthusiastic how the campbelli trend has evolved (or if there has even been one). Thankfully there are several breeders that have endeavored to produce some pretty decent examples of pure campbelli.......and not "Puebdurans"......LOL.

But different strokes for different folks. Some are more purists, some are not. It's not a judgment call whether it's right or wrong, but the reality "is what it is" regarding my aforementioned factors. Now go get some Pueblans.

" alt="Image">
-----
Jerry Kruse

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

Man did that snake stay nice! I just can't believe that her red is still that bright.. Is that her hatchling picture? Honestly, I can't wait to be out of school and have some money to get in on breeding these gorgeous animals.. Save me a pair from those two in about two or three years, eh? lol.

Sure...no problem. I'm not letting these go ever again and will likely hold the hatchlings back from this year for future purposes. And yes, that was the adult female's photo. Hatched her myself. Wish I had the photos of my original adults.....they were phenomenal. And the wider the white bands, the likelihood of a greater amount of tipping.......all things considered, this line is minimalized in that and may yet still be refined. Who knows. Best wishes on your academic endeavors!
-----
Jerry Kruse

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

Heyyyy, bada bingggg! Good talking to you the other night despite my distractions from walking around on Manhattan streets. Oh my God what I would do to get back my orange Pueblans I'd gotten from Don Wilson. I couldnt move those things fast enough back then. The "photo of a photo" I posted was actually of an animal I'd sent back to Don as it was mis-sexed (male instead of female), and I wish I could find photos of my best two pairs but I think they're gone forever along with the snakes.......they were just insane......not one black fleck on their entire bodies and electric in color. Many would say that they looked plastic if they didnt move!

Anyway, what's done is done but lesson learned for sure. I'm down for a hand of Texas hold 'em.....let's go.
-----
Jerry Kruse

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

Man!,....I can closely relate to every word of BOTH your posts about the Puebdurans,...uh, I mean Pueblans!

On the same exact page my good man!

~Doug

-----
"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

np

......."El Squirtero".....aaaaay......

....cute.....

......
-----
JY
Scales-N-Tails
reptiles ltd.

I've seen some milks with some strange marked heads over the years but that one has to take the cake. Very cool!!!
-----
Randy Whittington

n/p

Sounds like something from a more clinically-astute mind. Good observation....you must really kick a$$ on a Rorschach exam.
-----
Jerry Kruse

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

Here's the mom to the x head. She has odd face markings as well and a thin weird stripe. Non of her babies have ever displayed the stripe but most have had some form of face markings.

Here is the Dad

Here's some other stuff:
Nice looking normal

"Hypo"

08 VP

Just to throw something else in a Guatemala Abnorma

a "stamp" if you will...

I see two nudes sitting back to back... they're kind of chubby though :/

For the record, I don't think "mushroom head" or "fat nude phase" would be an appropriate reference -- this snake is a keeper!

LMAO!
-----
Todd Hughes