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I've been watching the posts and ads, and it seems like everyone is breeding every possible mutation and combo of south Florida kings except the normal?? To my mind a good, light, almost patternless normal brooksi is one of the most impressive north american colubrids, and considering their declining status in the wild it would be a shame to lose them in the hobby.

So is anyone out there attempting to keep the normal brooksi going?
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Brad Chambers
WWW.HCU-TX.ORG

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Brad,

I have more hets than anything. Some of them trace back directly to 100% locality S. Florida kings. None were outcrossed as I kept the original Hypos, axanthics and peanut butters that way. Now I do have some spectacular normals that are not from South Dade county.

I think if anyone saw the selection of normals I have their eyes would bug out. Refinment of the yellow phenotypes from S. Florida started before the Hypos and axanthics. That is where the gene came from. FROM BREEDING SIBLINGS BACK TO ONE ANOTHER THAT WERE SELECTIVLY BRED for light colors.

So if you want classic S. Dade county stock you don't have to look no futher. I guess i should take some pics and post them here soon.

Also ccheck out DMongs post below of his light S, Florida king.
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You should definitely post some pics!
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Brad Chambers
WWW.HCU-TX.ORG

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The other thing is I usually have a sale of lone males every year for $50. These are definite hets but i won't disclose their gentics to anyone who buys them. It's for people that just want a very light "brooksi" specimen. They could be definite or possible hets for various traits.

What is amazing to me is every year after i sell one of these snakes, someone get mad at me that I refuse to disclose the gentics . They WANTED a pure no nothing brooks but then they contact me sevral weeks later wanting to know whats else is in them (reccsive trait wise). I tell them for sevral hundred dollars more I will tell disclose. Otherwise its not fair to those who paid $400 and up for the same thing. Heck some of these are $600. each but I can't do anything with lone males.

So ya, if you want locality Brooks that will lighten up whitish,,or nice non-locale yellow brooksi that will be sulfur yellow or extreme yellow. Same price..I will have them!

Also have some yearlings that are for sale. I will get some pics on tuesday and put them up. They are a bit more for nice light locale S. Dade county. But they are feeding on small mice.
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Rainer-

I'd definitely be interested in a pair of nice light yellow s. Dade animals, het or otherwise. I don't want to give the impression I'm some kind of Anti-mutant fanatic-I have lots of morphs myself. It's just that I don't think in the case of brooksi that any of the mutations I've seen are much of an improvement on the original
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Brad Chambers
WWW.HCU-TX.ORG

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>>The other thing is I usually have a sale of lone males every year for $50. These are definite hets but i won't disclose their gentics to anyone who buys them.

I like that strategy.

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Kevin Harrell
www.harrellandsonsherps.com

That's what I'm talkin about!
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Brad Chambers
WWW.HCU-TX.ORG

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Her's a pair of mine that I think you'll find are exactly what you're talking about as well. These are from southern Miami/Dade stock that carry no recessive morph traits. More successive breedings from their offspring will undoubtedly prove this.

best regards, ~Doug

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Nice looking Pair.
Thanks for posting, Bob Bichler
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R.Bichlers Colubrids
http://www.webspawner.com/users/rbichler/index.html

I have had some that are about as good as any in the hobby, but in all honesty, none fit the bill as what were available in the 60's and 70's (when I did not like the looks of brooksi at all).
Not very many these days are pale creamy yellow at all. Most are too bright, have too much contrast, or black, and many have way too much color overall. Yet these are supposed to be classic brooksi?
Not to me anyway...
Good luck.
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

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This is really the gist of my thoughts on this subject-most i see just don't have "it".....
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Brad Chambers
WWW.HCU-TX.ORG

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What i was referring to in my other post was that hypos and Axanthics I had purchased back in 1993 (axanthic) and 1996 (hypo) was, that I KEPT these lines pure. I did not outbreed them. So all along I had "visual morphs" very nice genetics preserved in a living time capsule. I did not produce normal looking animals because I was going after producing visual hypos and axanthics. When I started mixing reccessive lines I realized these normals are pretty darn light speckled similar to what we used to see.

If you think about it, people back then bred nice nomals through selective breeding. Breeders would set up at Reptile Shows and display pics of the parents while selling the neonates. That is how reccessive traits get discovered. Frome breeding siblings back to one another.
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No argument here, Rainer-those pics of yours certainly have the "look"...
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Brad Chambers
WWW.HCU-TX.ORG

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I bred these this year, and eggs should be hatching any time now.

These are true South-Dade kings that I purchased because they looked like classic brooksi, with indistinct bands and pale coloration. They're both from hypo lines (Love, Krysko). Both snakes look pretty similar to each other, with the male being a little more yellow. I think the color on the male is a little exaggerated in the photo. The female is close to the best normal brooksi I've seen.

Male:

Female:

Fox,
Well that female would be hard to beat.
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