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i work at a pet store and this guy came in with a couple of his snakes and then he started talking to us about this wierd ball python that he just hatched out and this was the first time he ever bred snakes he said that he bred a blue eyed lucy to something and got an entirely black snake with red eyes
please tell me if you have any ideas of what it could be
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1.0 coastal carpet python
0.1 jungle carpet python
1.0 biak green tree python
1.1 pastel ball pythons
1.0 water monitor
0.0.2 iguanas
0.0.1 savannah monitors
mice

never heard of a ball python like that, but if its true that would be a HOT snake....any pics?
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no pics the guy didnt come back maybe he realized what hes got
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its not the strongest of the species that can survive, nor the most intellegent, its the one thats most adaptable to change - charles darwin

1.0 coastal carpet python
0.1 jungle carpet python
1.0 biak green tree python
1.1 pastel ball pythons
1.0 water monitor
0.0.2 iguanas
0.0.1 savannah monitors
mice

Although i think that snake would look really cool. I dont think that it is possible.

Correct me if I am wrong but red eyes mean albinism of some kind, which also mean the lack of melanin or black pigment. SO as far as I know (which is very little BTW) I dont think an all black snake with red eyes is possible. But who knows with what is going on lately.
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Scott
"The most powerful person never has to use it"

Hi,

I breed my rats out with red eyes all the time. I get brown ones and black and white ones and siamese with red eyes. So wouldn't it be possible to have red eyes in a black snake? I have no idea personally, and I am sure the guy is probably confused. I am still learning my genetics but I saw a rat the other day at a pet store and it had a red eye and a black eye and it was multi colored. I had never seen anything so cool.

Bill
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0.1 Spider Het Albino
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2.1 Super Pastel
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0.1 Clown
1.1 Het Lavenders
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1.1 Kids
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I think rats/mice can have red eyes without it being associated with a form of albanism - where as the same cannot be said for balls.
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Tosha
JET Pythons
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Herp Medicine does not equal a bottle of Baytril - Dr. Scott Stahl

I'm not completey up on my rodent genetics, but I believe it's called "dilute" when rodents have color with red eyes (I have a few). As far as I know, snakes have to be displaying some form of albinism/almelanism to have red eyes.

i didn't think it was possible either but then i started thinking and thought maybe about a very high type of albino paradox im not sure though it was a crazy thing to hear about
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its not the strongest of the species that can survive, nor the most intellegent, its the one thats most adaptable to change - charles darwin

1.0 coastal carpet python
0.1 jungle carpet python
1.0 biak green tree python
1.1 pastel ball pythons
1.0 water monitor
0.0.2 iguanas
0.0.1 savannah monitors
mice

People say a lot of things -- let me know when you actually see the snake.
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Tosha
JET Pythons
Toshas Blog

Herp Medicine does not equal a bottle of Baytril - Dr. Scott Stahl

I'd say your guy smokes some heavy sh.t! proof is in the pudding, no pics, no credibelity

I worked in a pet store for 11 years, and there were constantly people coming in claiming to have incredible or bizzare things, including reptiles people had never seen before. The only problem is, no one ever made good with proof.

If he genuinely hatched this snake, it would be a one of a kind animal. But until you see actual proof (If I were you, I'd want to see the actual snake, it's fairly simple to photoshop a solid black ball python with red eyes), I'd say he's BSing you to try and impress people.

we were trying to get him to come back but he never did
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its not the strongest of the species that can survive, nor the most intellegent, its the one thats most adaptable to change - charles darwin

1.0 coastal carpet python
0.1 jungle carpet python
1.0 biak green tree python
1.1 pastel ball pythons
1.0 water monitor
0.0.2 iguanas
0.0.1 savannah monitors
mice

I'm a bit doubtful about the solid black with red eyes.

If one parent was a blue-eyed leucistic, the baby would have to have a mojave gene, lesser platinum gene, or one of the other genes from the white snake complex in the genetic mix.

A caramel albino would have pink eyes but would be a lot lighter than black.

If the guy isn't pulling your leg, he may have something new. I'd sure like to see it if it's for real.

Paul Hollander

Agree with Paul , not likely something like that could be made using those types of parents. Would be interesting to see if it really even exists.

Anthony McCain

"that he just hatched out and this was the first time he ever bred snakes he said that he bred a blue eyed lucy to something and got an entirely black snake with red eyes"
i dont know about all of u but just hearing his first snake he ever bred was a BEL kinda makes me think he is full of it. not to mention the rest of the short story, did he say ne thing else hatched out?

yeah its crazy and he say there was there was other stuff but forgot
what
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its not the strongest of the species that can survive, nor the most intellegent, its the one thats most adaptable to change - charles darwin

1.0 coastal carpet python
0.1 jungle carpet python
1.0 biak green tree python
1.1 pastel ball pythons
1.0 water monitor
0.0.2 iguanas
0.0.1 savannah monitors
mice

can't see this being possible. If the guy ever comes back, ask him to bring the snake in so you can see it. Even offer him a couple free frozen rats for his trouble of bringing it in. (a solid black snake with red eyes would be cool..though I doubt its a ball python, if it exists at all).

Ball pythons lack natural red pigment in their eyes I beleive...any pink or red eyes seen in ball pythons is due to lack of pigment (the reddish color is actually blood vessels and capillaries showing through the eye). Some snakes do have naturally red eyes...I think some blood pythons do...but not sure on that.
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PHLdyPayne

But I agree that said beastie does not exist in the real world.

he said it was like that but with a black bottom
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its not the strongest of the species that can survive, nor the most intellegent, its the one thats most adaptable to change - charles darwin

1.0 coastal carpet python
0.1 jungle carpet python
1.0 biak green tree python
1.1 pastel ball pythons
1.0 water monitor
0.0.2 iguanas
0.0.1 savannah monitors
mice

a super cinnie or super black pastel with a really bad hangover? perhaps it smoked a lil weed. maybe? i dunno!

screen shot or it never happened.
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"What is man without the beasts?
If all the beasts were gone,
men would die from great loneliness of spirit.
For what happens to the beasts,
soon happens to men.
All things are connected."

-Chief Seattle (Duwamish Tribe)

I rarely ever bet, but I would bet that this snake does not exist. I agree with irishanaconda, a BEL Ball was his first snake breeding??? Suuuuuure it was.

If this guy does come back in, then let him know that I bred one that sings and dances. LOL

it wasnt 2 BELs it was a BEL to somthing if he comes in ill ask him for a pic and what else he bred it to
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its not the strongest of the species that can survive, nor the most intellegent, its the one thats most adaptable to change - charles darwin

1.0 coastal carpet python
0.1 jungle carpet python
1.0 biak green tree python
1.1 pastel ball pythons
1.0 water monitor
0.0.2 iguanas
0.0.1 savannah monitors
mice

LOL I was thinking the same thing when I first started reading this thread.