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I want to see what everyone take on crossing different sub-species of boas is. Like crossing Colombian to a Central American. I have heard some people say it is bad, others say nothing and then some people say it is good.

Colombian's and Central American's are both Boa constrictor imperator so the same sub-species.

I should add that there are Colombian Boa constrictor constrictor as well however these are pretty rare in the trade and 99.9% of the Colombians we see are BCI.

IF they are the same species then why is a Colombian T more than a Central American T ? IF they are the same why not pay the same for them? Or CA Motley versus a Colombian Motley? Also why do people fuss when the snake is not full blooded and they say it is a mutt. There are several people that fuss and wont buy a "mutt boa", but give and albino leopard, or a sunset boa and they will change there mind. They are crosses between two different boas. I have both Colombian and Central American boas, but I want to keep the blood pure.

They are different locales of the same sub species. The is only ONE species of Boa Constrictor.

Species (Boa Constrictor) > Sub Species (in this case: imperator) > Locale (Colombian, Hog Isle, Nic, Mixes/crosses, etc).

Same sub species as in Boa constrictor imperator maybe

Yet Not the same Boa at all,the Locality diference from Nicaragua,
into Costa Rica down through Panama and into Colombia
is quite diverse and different for each region.

Actually scale count for Colombian Boas often come up in the Bcc range

The question one should be asking themselves

Why are you crossing them / breeding them ?

You have to consider what the demand for the offspring
you produce might be ?

You have to consider keeping every single baby you produce
This goes with any breeding you do.

My point is take a non Morph Colombian Boa and cross it with a Non Morph Nicaraguan Boa.

Do you think anybody wants babies from that pairing ?

I personally am not interested in any babies from a
Nic Boa paired with Col Boa.

These are just a few of the considerations people must make
when they decide to pair up a Male and Fem Boa.

Pair a Surinam with a Kahl Albino its been done
but there is still some demand.

Pair a Hypo Boa ( highly Col influenced you find in the hobby)
with Bcc (Suri or Guyanan)

The Hypo Bcc type babies will be in some demand but somewhat less so for
normal Col / Bcc (Suri or Guyanan) cross siblings from my experience.

Today's Boa hobby climate suggests pairing Boas that are the
best of the best to create more of the best.

I just thought I would give a few examples
that influence my opinion.

. . . Lar M

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Crossing is not all bad, as long as you know what you are getting and you are honest with what you sell

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1.2 Longicauda
2.2 Bolivian Amarali
0.3 S.B. Amarali
1.1 Centalians
1.0 Dumerils
0.1 Irian Jaya
1.2 Hog Isles

Lar M I am fully aware that they are not the same Boas, I was just making the point that they are the same sub species as the OP suggested they were different sub species. Good post though and I agree with you. We all know though that most Colombians in the trade are infact no longer pure Colombian so now this is more a trade name for your average Boa. Jeff Ronne has some pure locale Colombians and I'd love some of these - very rare! The same with CA... nearly every BCI with the exception of Colombian and Ecuador come from various countries in CA and thus if they are a mix of any of these are labeled CA but you can beat your ass they aren't pure locales or they WOULD be labeled as such. The same also applies with any unknown locale CA.

Hey KayDee My post was actually intended to agree with you
and expand slightly.
I certainly did not intend it to come off
sounding to the contrary.

My post was actually in response to what " jdh " posted.

It just so happened we responded to "jdh"
at close to the sane time.

So my post came right under yours.

KayDee We are on the same page

. . . Lar M
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I just wanted to get some people's thoughts on the crossing of different boas like colombian and Centrals. Sometimes they make good offsprings and sometimes they dont. I just know a few breeders that dont like it small breeders make mutts but when they make one it is ok. I am not naming any names, but they know who they are. Thats all I am doing to see what everyone's take is. I personally want to keep colombians pure as possible and central americans pure. I personally have CA Motley, T CA, Reverse Stripe, Hypo and ANery Type 2. I also have colombians as well.

I re read your 2nd post which I posted a response literally under
that post of yours.
I sort of understand what you are asking. It all boils down to demand.
In the case of VPI T Caramel Alb Boas versus C.A. "T" type
Boas. The C.A. "T" started out lower priced I'm pretty certain.
Then the C.A. "T" project IMO possibly wasn't managed well and
the market was actually slightly flooded with C.A. "T" Boas.
That's how it looked to me as an on looker.

The C.A. Motley I'm less familiar with but from my view
something about them are not as attractive as the Col
Motley(that's just me )

Now if you are crossing C.A. projects with Col projects.
I believe its very important to use Homozygous Boas
where ever you can in that project.
That way there are no undesirable left over type Boas.
They will all carry either the Recessive trait or be visual for a
Dominant trait as in Hypo.

Then I would not place any of those Boas in a project I'm
trying to keep more Col.

That's just my thought process

A large portion of our Col boas have been exposed to
Hypo breeding's anyway
So its kind of a mute point, LOL

. . . Lar M
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I am for it

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OMFG......Sensory........Overload........Bloody Hogg........Too......Amazing......Jebus!

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MY OPINION,,, PICTURE... NOUGH SAID...

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Great looking. I originally made the 50% hypos for making sunglows. I think your 50:50 motley sunglow project should make some of the best motley sunglows ever produced.
Bill

thank's can't wait!!!!
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SOO BEAUTIFUL..... NEXT YEAR DON'T BE SURPRISED TO SEE 50/50 DH SURINAME MOTLEY LIPSTICK'S/// CAN'T WAIT....
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