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A question on breeding

nhballpython Sep 16, 2003 12:09 AM

I have just a couple questions. If I breed a 100%het for pied male to a normal what are the chances of getting a pied out of it if any at all?
And the next question. What if I breed a 100%het pied male to a 100%het for albino female. what are the odds of getting either morph?
And last but not least but a pari of 100% het for pieds. what would the percentage be for a pied baby?
thanks for any help you guys might be able to provide

Replies (8)

larryskeepers Sep 16, 2003 12:18 AM

100% pied het normal = all normal looking (50% have a chance of being het)

100% pied het 100% albino het all normal looking (possible chances are 1 full normal, 1 het for albino, 1 het for pied, 1 double het for pied and albino)

100% pied het 100% pied het = (statistically) 25% pied, 50% het for pied, 25% normal. So if you had 4 babies, statistics say you should get at least 1 pied but somtimes its more and sometimes its less.

*Note: normal looking and het babies look the same so even though the stats say you should get a certain percentage this is not always the case. So the more normal looking babies you get the lower the statistics will be against your possible het babies.

nhballpython Sep 16, 2003 12:26 AM

So what you are saying that with the first two pairs i would not get a pied snake only some possible hets at best right? and the only way to get a pied would be from two 100% het for pieds.

gothpython Sep 16, 2003 03:03 AM

as larryskeepers said. you'll only get a pied if you breed two 100% hets together. all the others will give you normals with posibilities of producing more pieds once they've grown up.

RandyRemington Sep 16, 2003 11:05 AM

Since both Piebald and Albino are recessive traits you do indeed have to get the gene from both parents in order to produce the homozygous animal, which will show the trait. When both parents are heterozygous, each baby has a 25% chance of being homozygous.

However, don't forget that many possible hets are indeed hets. Per above, both parents must be hets in order to produce the mutant, however they don't have to have been sold as 100% hets. I bred a 66% chance het albino male to a 50% chance het albino female and produced two albinos (unfortunately both dead in the egg). I now know that both parents are 100% for sure hets but they didn't start out that way. I also believe and have heard of cases where "normals" turned out to be hets. It's rare but more common than you might think.

So, the sure way to know you have a chance is to purchase and breed 100% hets. The next best is to use high % possible hets and hope you get lucky. Also, it's not completely inconceivable that you would breed a het pied to a random normal and she would turn out to also be a het but there might be somewhere around 1 in 1,000 odds against that.

JP Sep 16, 2003 09:14 AM

Check it out!
My Genetics Page

larryskeepers Sep 16, 2003 09:59 AM

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JP Sep 16, 2003 10:08 AM

np

nhballpython Sep 16, 2003 06:35 PM

Thanks alot for that link. that explained things perfectly to me.

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