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T negative albino (Red eye). These are what is allelic with the peanut butter to create the Jellies.

This one is interesting. It is not a lavender (sibling lavender pictured next to it) And it is not a snow 9snow siblings are more white and not purple and yellw.

Eye comparison of the weird purple albino.

I THINK THIS IS A DOUBLE HOMOZYGOT T- NEGATIVE X LAVENDER:

normal LAVENDER SIBLING EYE:

JELLY X BLAZE- MMMMMM...M- STARTING SOMETHING NEW AGAIN. The cool thing with breeding Jelly to jelly is you get three in one (3 in 1) morphs from the Jelly alone. Combine the Peanut butter x Blaze, T neg X Blaze and Jelly x Blaze . Fun fun fun!

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Rainer,

I dont know what youre calling that one in the first pic, but I love it.

Craig
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God Bless Evolution.

Just had this weird one hatch out. Look closer..

It is from a Jelly x Hypo X Axanthic.

The Jelly can throw Peanut butter , T negatives and jellies.

Combine this with either the hypo or axanthic.

OR GHOST!!!!~~

Hypo Peanut Butter (Hypo x T negative):

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I can't ever recall seeing a completely patternless amel type floridana before, is this the first one that you know of?

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

I can't ever recall seeing a completely patternless amel type floridana before, is this the first one that you know of?

Doug,

reccessive traits sometimes effect pattern and that is probably what happened here.

It came from what i call a QUAD het ( Jelly x ghost). But really it is more than quad. That is because:

Peanut butter
Jelly
T neg
Axanthic
Hypomelanistic

Are all present in this breeding. So who knows what else these will throw.

New ones this year so far:

blizzard
HYPO Peanut Butter
True Hybino
Pewter-I had one last year but kept it and so will i this year.

Proably a few more NEW Florida King morphs coming out this year. Most of my eggs are late.
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"reccessive traits sometimes effect pattern and that is probably what happened here."

Yeah, I dig all that, and realize it is from a multiple morph background,and outcomes can be very unpredictable....but is it the only one known as of yet?. My guess is yes, since not many other's(if any) have all the other weird combinations needed.

But besides the multiple morphs that produced THAT particular one, are there any known patternless amel types of floridana of ANY kind is really what I was getting at, just the phenotype, nevermind the genotype.

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

No other patterless Florida kings in the world unless you consider the light yellow Hypo brooks as patternless.

And yes it is the only one like it in the world. So is the Hypo PB abd T neg x hypo (true hybino) lso nobody else has yet produced a Peabino or Phantom either.

BTW, "Blizzard" is not the correct term because in Cornskae gentics the type B anerythristic is used and this has no anerythritic.

What would you call a T-negative albino X ghost homozygot??????????????
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"BTW, "Blizzard" is not the correct term because in Cornskae gentics the type B anerythristic is used and this has no anerythritic"

Yes, I already understand all that good stuff.

In milks, the triple homozygote you described is called a "pearl", but you can call it whatever you want.

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

No, I wouldn't consider those others as patternless at all either. The reason I'm saying all this is because I DID notice the one you just produced has absolutely ZERO pattern, not even a hint of pattern whatsoever that I can see from the photo.

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

It is probably a T negative Ghost ( T neg x hypo x axanthic.

I doubt it is a jelly x Ghost because the eyes would not be red.
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n/p
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Awesome morphs you have, but how do you know the all white one below is a hypo if it lacks pigment (so you can't see a reduction in pigment) and the parents were only het hypo?

Very cool snakes
vinny
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Awesome morphs you have, but how do you know the all white one below is a hypo if it lacks pigment (so you can't see a reduction in pigment) and the parents were only het hypo?

Thanks for the compliment.

The snakes came from a breeding of a 5 way het to het. but...it gets more complicated.

Originall a Jelly was bred to a Ghost

Jelly -produces 3 morphs [Jelly-T neg and Peanut butter)
The Ghost which produced these is hypo and axanthic.

So the parents are:
*Axanthic
*Hypo
*Jelly
*T negaive
*Peanut Butter

-all rolled into one. Kinda like a tootsi roll or Rollo.

Combine these traits and the only way I can see what this white snake is..IT is a T negative X Ghost homozygot.

The red eyes tell me it is pure T ngative albino. The patternelss white tell me it is a triple homo T neg x ghost (ie- Ghost = hypo x axanthic).

I already produced a hypo x T negative homozygot in the same clutch (sibling!). And i produced a Hypo Peanut Butter homozygot.. so I know what those look like. I can see it being anything else but a T negative albino x Ghost (Ghost = hypo x axanthic homozygot).

So close yet so far

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Cool, while I agree that you probably hit the jackpot Its techinally not possible to know that the "blizzard" is a hypo since it came from hets, at least without test breeding. But it's probably something to keep in the back of your mind.

Again cool animals. The phantom almost made me get ride of some milks to make some room

Vinny
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Its techinally not possible to know that the "blizzard" is a hypo since it came from hets

Maybe I am not understanding your question on the "hypo" gene. I am not sure what you mean?
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>>Its techinally not possible to know that the "blizzard" is a hypo since it came from hets
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>>Maybe I am not understanding your question on the "hypo" gene. I am not sure what you mean?
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I think this is what he is getting at......My opinion.....
The Amelanistic gene is "over-riding" the Hypomelanistic gene since ALL the Melanism is absent. Then there is no way for one to see the reduction in melanism - hypo.....It could quite possibly be showing both, but it is impossible to know for sure since the parents were heterozygous for the hypo gene...
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

I think this is what he is getting at......My opinion.....
The Amelanistic gene is "over-riding" the Hypomelanistic gene since ALL the Melanism is absent. Then there is no way for one to see the reduction in melanism - hypo.....It could quite possibly be showing both, but it is impossible to know for sure since the parents were heterozygous for the hypo gene.

I already said that I produced a T negative albino X Hypomelanistic homozygot. So I know what they look like. They are very different. I also produced a Peanut Butter x hypo. They also were different.

So, for me, it is a process of elimination.
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>>I think this is what he is getting at......My opinion.....
>>The Amelanistic gene is "over-riding" the Hypomelanistic gene since ALL the Melanism is absent. Then there is no way for one to see the reduction in melanism - hypo.....It could quite possibly be showing both, but it is impossible to know for sure since the parents were heterozygous for the hypo gene.
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>>I already said that I produced a T negative albino X Hypomelanistic homozygot. So I know what they look like. They are very different. I also produced a Peanut Butter x hypo. They also were different.
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>>So, for me, it is a process of elimination.

Well that explains it for me.....I was just trying to re iterate what the previous poster was asking......
Cool...
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

Well that explains it for me.....I was just trying to re iterate what the previous poster was asking......
Cool...

sorry, i did not mean to come across like I was explaining to you..
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The KS none edit function got me again.

this pics is NOT a hypo Peanut Butter (But I did produce one of thos this year).

this is a T negative x hypo...Or a better term HYBINO ...or AKA TRUE HYBINO!

this is a T negative x hypo...Or a better term HYBINO ...or AKA TRUE HYBINO!

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Congrats to your preserverance in your morph blending, the Blizz looker is a phenom. congrats,at a glanc appearmale,good luck !
Tech Q? how do i retype mistakes every time i go back and retype i get back space(delete)or over ride.....See ya Soon

are some of the Axans B/W instead of purple /W ,i think i want one???? C

are some of the Axans B/W instead of purple /W ,i think i want one???? C

I think calling the anerys that are allelic with the blue axanthics, "Black & White axanthics". because we have 2 different "traits".

Yes there are some axanthics are black and white. I think it occured from outcrossing to different phenotypes of Florida kings. Tim Ricks had some that originated from the Lemke line that were Black and white and BHB had them as well. Actually BHB has two traits of anery. One is allelic with the axanthic and the other is not. But this new information just confuses things more..

If you will be at daytona i can show yoo some B&W axanthics on people tables. They are usually not very nice looking and are from outbreeding that trait. Kinda Blahhh looking.
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Wow, those are all very nice! That patternless king is really cool. I'd like to see if you could produce a patternless king with out the albinism from that specimen. Not sure if that would be possible though.
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Breed some black eyes into that thing and you've got the Holy Grail! Oh heck, maybe you already do...

LOL
n/p
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Maybe with all these new morphs for Rainer to play with he may be a little more generous and lower the prices of the PB&J's seeing that he is already a generation ahead. You cant keep EVERYTHING can you? LOL!

Maybe with all these new morphs for Rainer to play with he may be a little more generous and lower the prices of the PB&J's seeing that he is already a generation ahead. You cant keep EVERYTHING can you? LOL!

Oh heck I wish I had more Peanut Butters to sell.

The price on the PB's is holding pretty well with all the people that got them from me years back. With the exception of one person they are $300. each

This year I don't have any plain Jane Peanut butters. All my Peanut Butters are also multi-het for other things. So the price is a bit higher at $350. up because you can breed them and get some new high dollar morphs.
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