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I am sure there not what I bought them as . . . But hey I know nothing about rat snake sub species and morphs. Can any one identify this "white oak rat snake" all of the white oaks I have seen were grayish and charcoal.

Thanks for any info on this guy....
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0.1 miami het hypo
0.1 miami
0.1 sunglow
0.1 candy cane
0.1 love line okatee
0.1 blue tail monitor
2.2 felines aka boa food ;o
And I am not gonna count all those rats . . .

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Sorry, I wish we could edit our posts here.....

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1.0 Sunrise (sshhh)
1.0 orange ghost mojave
1.0 Het pied
1.0 Hypo
1.0 Spider Het Hypo
0.1 orange ghost mojave
0.1 mojave (best looking one ever! thanks Jeff Luman)
0.1 Pastel Het ghost
0.1 Hypo
0.1 mojave
0.4 Het nerd Orange Hypo
0.2 poss Het nerd Orange Hypo
0.1 poss Het albino
0.1 het pied
0.1 Bell Jungle
0.6 normal breeders
0.1 black pastel (unproven)
0.1 Tiger ball (unproven)
0.1 genetic reduced pattern
0.1 black back
1.0 posslble salmon boa
0.1 BCI 8.5 ft
1.0 hypo okatee
1.3 Anery 100% het hypo amel and motley
1.1 snow corn
1.1 anery motley
0.1 ghost motley corn
0.1 lavendar het hypo
0.1 miami het hypo
0.1 miami
0.1 sunglow
0.1 candy cane
0.1 love line okatee
0.1 blue tail monitor
2.2 felines aka boa food ;o
And I am not gonna count all those rats . . .

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Brian
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Hmmm,.....on my monitor it looks very reddish, but this can easily happen in certain lighting conditions, or if the camera isn't set correctly to compensated for the existing lighting conditions. The blotches(saddles) look a little too tightly patterned as well. If this is what it really looks like, it DEFINITELY isn't a "white oak" phase grey rat(spiloites), unless it's some weird form of hypo version, or even amel version, but I sort of doubt that. Because the seller probably would have(should have) known all about that, as well as told you and labelled it as such.

It seems sort of "fishy" to me given those circumstances,....know what I mean?

best regards, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

............what color are it's eyes?. I have a funny feeling the seller doesn't have a clue as to what he/she is talking about. This is very common unfortunately.

best regards, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Doug,I was thinking the same thing,too red to be a white oak or even a grey rat period. Jeff

His eyes are brown with black pupils. . . Deff not an amel and yes the saddles are a brick red color....I will try to post some pics from my camera instead of my cell.
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1.0 Sunrise (sshhh)
1.0 orange ghost mojave
1.0 Het pied
1.0 Hypo
1.0 Spider Het Hypo
0.1 orange ghost mojave
0.1 mojave (best looking one ever! thanks Jeff Luman)
0.1 Pastel Het ghost
0.1 Hypo
0.1 mojave
0.4 Het nerd Orange Hypo
0.2 poss Het nerd Orange Hypo
0.1 poss Het albino
0.1 het pied
0.1 Bell Jungle
0.6 normal breeders
0.1 black pastel (unproven)
0.1 Tiger ball (unproven)
0.1 genetic reduced pattern
0.1 black back
1.0 posslble salmon boa
0.1 BCI 8.5 ft
1.0 hypo okatee
1.3 Anery 100% het hypo amel and motley
1.1 snow corn
1.1 anery motley
0.1 ghost motley corn
0.1 lavendar het hypo
0.1 miami het hypo
0.1 miami
0.1 sunglow
0.1 candy cane
0.1 love line okatee
0.1 blue tail monitor
2.2 felines aka boa food ;o
And I am not gonna count all those rats . . .

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Brian
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This is what is considered to be a true classic "white oak" Gray rat. These are from northern Florida. Very light, silvery gray with clean gray background with slightly darker blotches.

This specimen was photographed by Bill Love and his friends while on a herping expedition.

Anyhow, like Jeff and I have already mentioned, it certainly isn't a "white oak" phase, or really ANY kind of Gray Rat for that matter, especially since you said it was red and the eyes were dark, thus it isn't an amel(albino form either).

Albino Black Rats can be a reddish tone, but you said it had dark pupils and irises, so it certainly isn't that either.

It is most likely a hybrid of some sort, with some percentage of some sort of ratsnake involved(maybe black even), but it is anyone's guess as to exactly what, and without lineage is just pure speculation and virtually impossible to say.

Hope this at keast helped a little bit..LOL!

best regards, ~Doug

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

.....what it really "looks" like alot to me is a prairie king x ratsnake from just the one pic alone.

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

I'd REALLY like to see one of those. Prairie king hybrids have VERY low fertility. I have seen VERY few prairie king crosses.

If you knew they were not represented honestly, why did you buy them? I mean, there are so many honest breeders out there, wouldn't it make sense to actually be sure of getting what you paid for?
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Brad Chambers
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The Avalanche has already started-it is too late for the pebbles to vote....

Im sure I got what I paid for. I think your missing the point of my post, Which was what are they. I did not ask for advice about buying snakes.... I am pretty sure I know what I am doing there, but to satisfy you curiosity I paid $20 for these locally from a young kid that was moving and wanted to find a home for them. Do you know what they are brad?
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Brian Hettinger
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Now hat you posted a good pic, it's obvious-see DMong's post below. Honestly, based on your first pic it was impossible for anyone to say....I agree with him that it is a spiloides with lindheimeri influence.
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Brad Chambers
WWW.HCU-TX.ORG

The Avalanche has already started-it is too late for the pebbles to vote....

In addition to the one Doug posted above, here is my male, who I think is a pretty good example of a white oak phase grey rat. Steve

Yes,....that's certainly another fine representation of a good classic "white oak" gray rat!

best regards, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Here are some more photos....thanks for all the great examples of "white oaks" and the help Identifying these.

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Brian Hettinger
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Basically Gray Rat, that looks to have some Texas Ratsnake influence. I left you two posts on the "corn" forum where you posted the pics as well. I explained why I say this on the other post.

Wow!,...these new pics you posted are like night and day compared to the other super red looking pics you posted earlier from your cell phone...LOL! Now we can get somewhere!..haha!

best regards, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Pattern definately brings Grey Ratsnake to my mind, but the reddish color of the blotches remind me of a Rusty Black Ratsnake. If the snake is indeed Rusty, then it should be considered as a Grey x Black crossbreed, since there are no Rusty Grey Blackratsnakes (well, as far as I know, that is).

.........and how the kid acquired them by any chance?

thanks, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

He said he got them at petco??? As "white oak rat snakes" they were really cool so I decided to help the family out as they were moving. I responded to the add because I wanted white oaks but when I got there and handled them I wanted to get them anyway but knew they were not white oaks, there like puppy dogs.......
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Brian Hettinger
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n/p
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"