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Has anyone seen this in their hatchlings? I've been away from this forum for a while (bought a house) but my 2009 hatchlings are coming out, and this lil weird guy came out with a striped pattern that just fades to nothing.

Is this normal? He was hatched from 2 motley breeders I have that are het for eleventy billion different things I'm sure, so the babies keep coming out different patterns/colors. It's like Christmas at my house! I just don't know what I'm gonna get next! Anyway, if anyone's seen this before, let me know. I want to know if it's genetic or if it's caused by stress from heat or something. Thanks.

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1.0 Hypo Okeetee - Wesley (Princess Bride)
0.1 Motley - Craven (Underworld)
1.2 Tremper Albino Leopard Geckos

looks like a vanishing pattern to me. i would say the older it get the less pattern its going to have.

Tom

Here's a better, color balanced picture of the lil guy. Would this be considered motley only, or anery, or amel, or what?!?! Help please! I'm gonna put pics of his sister too, she's more of a hurricane pattern...

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1.0 Hypo Okeetee - Wesley (Princess Bride)
0.1 Motley - Craven (Underworld)
1.2 Tremper Albino Leopard Geckos

>>Here's a better, color balanced picture of the lil guy. Would this be considered motley only, or anery, or amel, or what?!?! Help please! I'm gonna put pics of his sister too, she's more of a hurricane pattern...
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vanishing stripe
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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jimmy at least were on the same wave length here

Tom

I'm thinking Vanishing Pattern Striped Caramel after seeing that photo.

This was hatched along with the vanishing pattern. got a ton of other weirdos coming out.

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1.0 Hypo Okeetee - Wesley (Princess Bride)
0.1 Motley - Craven (Underworld)
1.2 Tremper Albino Leopard Geckos

That's a Motley.

So, if it is a Vanishing Pattern Striped Caramel or a Motley or whatever we end up calling it, how rare is it?

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1.0 Hypo Okeetee - Wesley (Princess Bride)
0.1 Motley - Craven (Underworld)
1.2 Tremper Albino Leopard Geckos

>>I'm going to have to go with normal vanishing stripe and they are not really that uncommon.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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More curious than anything, since you seem to have a LOT of knowledge that I'd like to get outta your brain, if you had to chose to keep a couple of lil corns, or trade for some Kenyan Sand Boas, what do you think you'd do? I'm teetering on the edge of trading off all the unusual clutch for some sand boas, but I'm not sure yet. I've never seen a vanishing patterned snake before, and I don't know, by just looking at the clutch, what kinda genetics are involved in the parents, so I'm at a crossroads of either trading off the babies for some adult sand boas, or keeping them for a few years and breeding them to see what ELSE I can get. I still have both parents, so another crazy clutch next year isn't out of the question. I'm just curious as to know what's going on genetically, and if these snakes are worth keeping.

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1.0 Hypo Okeetee - Wesley (Princess Bride)
0.1 Motley - Craven (Underworld)
1.2 Tremper Albino Leopard Geckos

>>More curious than anything, since you seem to have a LOT of knowledge that I'd like to get outta your brain, if you had to chose to keep a couple of lil corns, or trade for some Kenyan Sand Boas, what do you think you'd do? I'm teetering on the edge of trading off all the unusual clutch for some sand boas, but I'm not sure yet. I've never seen a vanishing patterned snake before, and I don't know, by just looking at the clutch, what kinda genetics are involved in the parents, so I'm at a crossroads of either trading off the babies for some adult sand boas, or keeping them for a few years and breeding them to see what ELSE I can get. I still have both parents, so another crazy clutch next year isn't out of the question. I'm just curious as to know what's going on genetically, and if these snakes are worth keeping.
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I can't really help you as far as choosing between them and sand boas.
That is just a choice you will have to make when you decide which you would rather work with. These corns or sand boas.
What most of us end up doing when we can't choose between two...we go with both...lol
I personally think they are great looking stripes. Tim Spuckler (Third Eye)does a lot of work with vanishing stripe corns and I think they look killer when they mature.
If you work with them you can work towards patternless which looks pretty whicked with some morphs.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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It looks like my ghost stripe male. His stripes break up and disappear on the back half of his body.

Here are his baby and 2 year pictures.

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Kent

Looks like a normal stripe to me, I don't think it looks tan enough to be caramel, pretty sure it's a normal stripe, but I could be wrong
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Jeff Benfer
gartersnakemorph.com

This also means that your breeder motleys are actually both motley stripe genotypes.
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Jeff Benfer
gartersnakemorph.com

This is the entire clutch, minus the vanishing patterned motley caramel whatever it was called. Can anyone tell from this shot what genetics I have here? I have striped, hurricane, motley, and amel?

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1.0 Hypo Okeetee - Wesley (Princess Bride)
0.1 Motley - Craven (Underworld)
1.2 Tremper Albino Leopard Geckos

Just posting some more pictures of the arrivals. I went a little camera happy, but I think this forum enjoys pictures. Insight into genetics would be helpful. If you are in St. Louis, you would be EXTREMELY helpful!

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1.0 Hypo Okeetee - Wesley (Princess Bride)
0.1 Motley - Craven (Underworld)
1.2 Tremper Albino Leopard Geckos

>>Just posting some more pictures of the arrivals. I went a little camera happy, but I think this forum enjoys pictures. Insight into genetics would be helpful. If you are in St. Louis, you would be EXTREMELY helpful!
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well, in that shot you have an amel motley and a normal motley
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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>>>>Just posting some more pictures of the arrivals. I went a little camera happy, but I think this forum enjoys pictures. Insight into genetics would be helpful. If you are in St. Louis, you would be EXTREMELY helpful!
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>>well, in that shot you have an amel motley and a normal motley
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which of course means both parents are het amel.
It's hard to tell but I only see normals and amels in the clucth.

The occurance of stripes and motleys in the same clutch is not uncommon...
The parents were basically motley/stripes. Stripe and motley are on the same locus and motley is dominant to stripe.
So if you have motley/stripes they are carrying the stripe and motley genes but show motley. When you breed them together you can get motleys and stripes.
This is over simplifying the motley stripe interaction but it gets the general idea accross.
I'm not going to pretend to be an expert or geneticist so just take my answer as an aid to point you in the right direction.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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First off, thank you very much for the detailed response. It does help a lot. I'm not new to corn snakes, I'm just new to breeding the two together and getting such weird stuff.

If I'm to understand it right, I have amel striped, amel motley, normal striped and normal motley. Here's where I get confused.

The motley parents I have look NOTHING like my normal corn snake. So, to say "motley" does that refer to pattern, color, or both? If I have normal motley, and striped motley, is that pattern/color?

I'm just trying to figure out what I'm gonna have in two years, color wise. Amels i can see on just about any corn snake website. Motleys, I get so many differences, I have no idea what to expect.

Again, thanks for the heads up. Still trying to work out these babies.

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1.0 Hypo Okeetee - Wesley (Princess Bride)
0.1 Motley - Craven (Underworld)
1.2 Tremper Albino Leopard Geckos

>>First off, thank you very much for the detailed response. It does help a lot. I'm not new to corn snakes, I'm just new to breeding the two together and getting such weird stuff.
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>>If I'm to understand it right, I have amel striped, amel motley, normal striped and normal motley. Here's where I get confused.
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>>The motley parents I have look NOTHING like my normal corn snake. So, to say "motley" does that refer to pattern, color, or both? If I have normal motley, and striped motley, is that pattern/color?

Motley is a pattern. It elongates the saddles and removes checkering from the belly. It also removes most of the patterning on the sides
A normal phase motley will usually have a lack of black borders around the saddles. almost looks hypo.
A stripe motley is a visual motley (motley is dominant to stripe) that is also carrying the stripe gene.

a hatchling amel motley a hatchling normal motley and an adult normal motley.

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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Dude, you're awesome. Thanks.
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1.0 Hypo Okeetee - Wesley (Princess Bride)
0.1 Motley - Craven (Underworld)
1.2 Tremper Albino Leopard Geckos

Here are a few of my v. pattern animals

Here's the two different patterns I got, on the same clutch. Is this common for motley?

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1.0 Hypo Okeetee - Wesley (Princess Bride)
0.1 Motley - Craven (Underworld)
1.2 Tremper Albino Leopard Geckos