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Also what substrate you use for your frogs? I use coconut husk

I use bed a beast...

Sexing white's is very hard... I still cant figure mine out...

check out this link, maybe it will be a bit of help
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check out my site to find info on how to sex WTF's and what substrate to use.

luke z
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http://luke_zecevic.tripod.com/frogsofaustralia

The only surefire way to tell is if they call. If they call, they are male. If they do not... then they are either a male that doesn't feel like calling or a female. Unless you've worked extensively with frogs, it's best to view your collections as males and unsexed.

I couldn't find the sexing information on your site, Lukeybaby, but I did notice that on your "available" page, the frog on the bottom in the picture under "my two males in amplexus!!!" looks like a female to me. Have you heard "him" calling before? If so, and your certain it is a female, are the two frogs from different regions in Australia or did they develop in the same habitat?
The bone structure of the head, the development and placement of the supratympanic ridges and the general shape/size of the body in contrast to eachother gives me this impression. It is, however, often noted that frogs who develop in slighty different environmental conditions will develop slighty different physical characteristics and it's even suggested by some studies that animals reared in different climates with the same genetics will utilize their genes to varying degrees which can include such things as metabolism and growth rates but even sometimes color is effected.

Thanks in advance,
~Litoria

Err make that "if your sure it is a male"...

i am 1000% sure, that the one on the bottom is a male, he is always croaking. the reason why he is always being amplexed by my males is because he is really big, bigger then my female. the 'boys' think that he is a female because of his size. thats why i am always telling people that size of a frog is not a good way to tell its sex.

with sexually mature frogs to tell if your frog is a female you can see eggs(only if they are sexually reproductive) on the underside. it looks like lots of litle black dots.

luke z
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http://luke_zecevic.tripod.com/frogsofaustralia

Luke, I wasn't asking for am automated response and some egotism. I was genuinely curious, no need to impress me with what your "always telling people". You obviouslly didn't understand any of the concepts presented an I therefore withdraw my inquiry. Nevermind.

my response was not intended to hurt, im sorry. i did not mean to start an argument. lately i have been very busy, so when i was typing the message i didn't really have time to 'proof' read or anything. i am truly sorry for the misunderstanding between us.

luke z
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http://luke_zecevic.tripod.com/frogsofaustralia

litoria females can call aswell. if they are being handled roughly or distressed they will make a distress call. if they are being amplexed they can make a release call. if they hear males calling,; which stimulates females to breed; they can make response call.

luke z
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http://luke_zecevic.tripod.com/frogsofaustralia

Females don't call they vocalize. Calling is usually defined by vocalizing to call potential mates and call up local rivals. Females... quite contrary to your condescendingly authoritive post, do not call, you are completely mistaken.

(If so, and your certain it is a female, are the two frogs from different regions in Australia or did they develop in the same habitat?
It is, however, often noted that frogs who develop in slighty different environmental conditions will develop slighty different physical characteristics and it's even suggested by some studies that animals reared in different climates with the same genetics will utilize their genes to varying degrees which can include such things as metabolism and growth rates but even sometimes color is effected.)

I agree Litoria, I have thought this for some time also and the Uni in which I work at is actually studying this concept. I know that my frogs do look different and are different sizes from other frogs that friends have of the same age.
Mine are smaller, and whilst still being very healthy and plump, look different to some other frogs.

I think people just have to be patient in sexing their frogs. As you say if they call, you know you have yourself a male.
The females definatley do not "call". The noise they make could not be considered a call but more of a grunt response. The difference between a call and the noise a female can make is very clearly different as you say

I tried for ages to sex my frogs, but if you just wait until they are older and observe them when they call (if they do) you can then quite clearly see what you have and dont have.
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Finally, a girl that knows her frogs. I look for to some healthy debate!

i understand that females vocalise and males call. the reason why i refered females calls is because i am talking to a newbie. an when u said that females "dont call" he may have thought that u meant that they dont make any sounds at all. so i just re-clarified what u said, and i said that they do call, so he/she understands.

luke z
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http://luke_zecevic.tripod.com/frogsofaustralia

Actually I know what you are talking about. I have kept many frogs, and toads. If you rough handle a female it will let out a distress call, or if a male grabs onto a female and she doesn't want to mate, she will give out a distress call. My FBT female always give out distress calls when the male ampexes with her.