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Why in the great wide world of sports do hognose not have their own classifieds? It is awful tiring sifting through sunbeam and garter snakes to find available hogs. The alterna page has a link on their forum page for just alterna, which is nice and I like looking those over as well and as of now they have 21 listings. Where the hognose are listed there are 20 listed on the first two pages, but I had to go through 160 listings to find them. I don't know who is in charge of doing that, but would be nice to have. I just think hogs are popular enough to have their own classifieds, but that's just me.

I agree that Hogs should have their own classified section... But, what many people here do not realize is that The Alterna Page/Forum was the original foundation of which Kingsnke.com has evolved from.. I believe this is why the Alterna sections of kingsnake (Classifieds,Forums, etc) have remained.

Regardless I would love to see a seperate Hognose classified section.

~ Mike Russo

I will pass this on to the classified folks.
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Ginger Sanders
Staff Director
Email PHGinger

Thank you Ginger, I appreciate it.

no post-so why are you reading this?
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Brad Chambers
WWW.HCU-TX.ORG

The Avalanche has already started-it is too late for the pebbles to vote....

We "split" classified sections once an animal group reaches a certain percentage in it's existing section, and reaches a certain
"mass" in their number. We also do it based on user suggestions.
However, their are a number of factors that we have to take into account as well such as sponsorship contracts, section staffing, and things of that nature. According to our classifieds dept as of today in that section there are 228 ads and of those 38 ads are hognoses. While the number is creeping up, it would probably need to be close to double that before we would split it off.

And when we did half of you would love it, the other half would hate it

Jeff,
I have no idea how it works on the business end and how it works numbers to dollars. I do understand that the alterna page started all of this, but why are they exempt from your criteria for the classifieds? They only have 21 listings at the present time and that is close to the most they will have all year. I am not sure why you say half of us would hate splitting the hogs for their own list. Seems like the people who like hogs would love the split and people that didnt care for them would have 38 listings not to have to weed through. Maybe it doesnt work financially, but us hognose people would love it(at least I think they would love it).

I would love not having to look at all of the rough green snakes, garters, and nerodia.

Have to agree, i get tired of Hogs always getting listed as 'Other'
I think they deserve their own section.
I guess it would also get a bit more traffic.

I usually just use the search function for something generic, like "hognose" then it returns all the hog ads.

But it would be nice.

We "split" classified sections once an animal group reaches a certain percentage in it's existing section, and reaches a certain "mass" in their number.

What type of percentage are we talking about here? Out of the 245 listings as of today, 44 of those are for Hognose snakes which is a percentage of about 18% of the listings under Other Snakes. Being that there's a large assortment of species falling in the Other Snakes category, I'd say that's a pretty respectable percentage.

If you add up the amount of listings for New World Ratsnakes and Old World Ratsnakes together, it only amounts to 201 listings, of those only 53 belong to the Old World Rats which is not that far off from the amount of Hognose ads. The percentage for Old World Rats would be at 26% under that collective. Of course if we put together all the Rat Snake sections, New World, Old World and Corns, the amount of ads would be 416 ads which would then put the Old World Rats at a percentage of only 12.7%.

Of course it's already been mentioned about the Gray-Bandeds which only has 24 ads yet has it's own section regardless of history. The Other Kingsnakes category has a whopping 356 ads alone and if you combine both the Gray-Banded ads along with the Other Kingsnakes ads, you would get 380 ads which would give the Gray-Bandeds a percentage of only 6%. Personally, I believe that the Other Kingsnakes should be divvied up much the same way all the Ratsnakes have been considering there's almost as many ads which could be broken down into just Kingsnakes and Milksnakes respectively.

However, their are a number of factors that we have to take into account as well such as sponsorship contracts, section staffing, and things of that nature.

Would it really be that difficult and costly to just add another category? I think it would benefit, not only the sellers, but this site as it would better clarify the market for hognose snakes which seems to be growing in popularity.

I would think that there would also be the opportunity to score more revenue from a hognose category banner section considering the amount of banner ads present in the hognose forum here. If I were to want to spend money on a banner as it is now, I'd rather have it here in the forum than the Other Snakes category. But if there was a Hognose category, I would rather have a banner ad there instead.

To be honest, I oftentimes miss hognose ads in the Other Snakes category because there is so much unrelated stuff to sift through. I'd be willing to bet that many others feel this way too.

Also, some sellers don't always have the best descriptions which might exclude the exact type of species of snake they are trying to sell. Having a hognose category would rectify that problem immediately.

According to our classifieds dept as of today in that section there are 228 ads and of those 38 ads are hognoses. While the number is creeping up, it would probably need to be close to double that before we would split it off.

I don't understand the need for the hognose ads to have to be double in numbers since the percentages are not that far off nor are the ad amounts considering some of the other categories I've already mentioned. While I still don't understand the logistics of costs and time to add a new category for hognose snakes, I can't help but feel that this isn't being looked at from a purely objective standpoint considering all the other data to be considered.

And when we did half of you would love it, the other half would hate it

Why would anybody hate having a new classifieds category which would only bring forth clarity? I would make the assumption that even the sellers in the Other Snakes category would perhaps welcome the change as it would make it less cluttered and easier to view their other snake ads without having to sift through the hognose ads. Also, hognose sellers would love the idea as it makes it much easier for buyers to solely focus on exactly what they want to look for. I'd be interested in hearing what others would have to say, but the general consensus so far seems pretty positive towards having a new category.

I'm sure there might be a very few people who might object to the idea of a hognose only section, but I'd be willing to bet that they would be a very small minority out of the many that could only benefit from such an addition.

Just my 3 cents, what with the economy and all.

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Troy Rexroth
Rextiles

I can't agree more Troy. I would think that it would provide Kingsnake a few more banner spots to sell along with helping to clean out some of the clutter.

Take Care

Rich

Well well written response Troy. I think that you points were very well made and I agree completely.

Very well said. I would also wager that you would get more sellers to buy ads if hognose were split.

Thought I would post and add my support for a Hognose section in the classifieds! ~ Chris
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Chris & Alliey
www.bloodyleopard.com
E-mail Us

Just adding my support for separate hognose classifieds! Just makes sense!
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Louie Chavez

Louie, thanks for the input. They could even try a page for hognoses on a trial basis, just to see how much attention it gets, say 3-6 months.
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J. Clayton
www.cahabariverreptiles.com

I also support a new page.
Jeffb, I think if you asked you may find that some of us would actually post more adds if they had their own page. I always end up giving up when sifting through every thing else.

Sooo... how many banner adds for "other snakes" are paid for by the "other snake" breeders?? Seems to be Hognose people who are paying for the adds currently. This may be a(the) reason to not seperate.
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Steve Perry
North Idaho.

Steve, I agree very much so with the idea that more people would probably list ads for hognosed snakes if there were a page for them. I am sure the people at Kingsnake will consider it, especially if there is enough interest from the community of breeders and enthusiasts.
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J. Clayton
www.cahabariverreptiles.com

Jeff B,
Thanks for the explanation.
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J. Clayton
www.cahabariverreptiles.com

That would be cool of you. It is time they probably have their own page. Thanks for the help.
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J. Clayton
www.cahabariverreptiles.com

yeah That would be awesome because i need to find a mate for her!!

these are older pics of her.