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I took the picture down, opps.. ANyway the only one I have that is on the photo gallery is this one. Here you go GaryF..

Thanks Savannah

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Savannah
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The ad says they are CB. Are the CB from WC parents? Do you have pictures of the parents?

I dont not have pictures of the adults. The parents were normal. The person that produced them isnt sure which parents produced these as they didnt keep track off what eggs came from whom and also the bred more than one male to each female.. These were the only 2 hypos hatched.. What else you wanna know?? Thanks Savannah
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We want to know if they were produced from WC animals or not. They have some charateristics that make them different (other than being possibly hypo) from most other Irian Jayas. Two out of how many eggs?
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Jim Kuroski

They were imported and the paper work will come with teh snakes showing their origin. Hows that?? They are Morelia spilota variegata from indonesia. They look alittle different bu I can assure you they are legit and very beautiful. I cant wait to see them go through their color change..

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Savannah
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I realize that they were imported from indo, but do you know anything about their parents. Where these hypos farmed babies, becuase if they were how can you be sure that they are pure variegata? And you never answered the clutch size question. I also don't understand what you mean by color change. Irian are red where the black is when young and hypos don't have any black. I don't think they are gonna change much at all. Maybe get more contrasting, but that's about it.
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Jim Kuroski

Left this one out, I asked if any other were produce or if they had produced any like them before and the answer was "i wish". I dont know how many eggs, sorry. All I kwnow is that these were the only ones like them and I loved them and took them right away. I love carpets and think the are under rated and over looked.. I do wish I could keep these and breed them out though.. Thats all I know guys.. But feel free to ask more questions and ask for more pictures if thats what you need. They are Irian's.

Thanks alot,
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Savannah
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Allot more people would be willing to drop cash on a proven morph. These guys are too much of a gamble right now. Are you too concerned about loosing your opportunity to make 10K if they don't prove genetic? This is the kind of thing that pisses me off in this hobby. Someone finds something different and get it for a steal (most likely) and then turns around and offers it up for an ungodly amount of money before it's even proven. Prove it out, you'll feel better (because you didn't screw someone) and get much richer in the long run.
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Jim Kuroski

Why cant everyone think like you Jim? Its what I was thinking the whole time but I bit my lip and man you nailed it. Pythons these days come down to money. We all have to make a living, but having a regular job and having a secondary source of income by means of pythons is okay. But people try to pull "fast ones" which is pretty lame. I dont mind her making big cash off of them if they were proven out, but this seems kinda shady. And I hate to compare her to Terry Lilley, but man that ticks me off. Macklots as Timor pythons? I can understand confusing them as Timor mackies, but they are clearly labeled "python timoriensis". See for your self (if you havent already) http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=7&de=142212.
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"People change and your changing"
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people that cant afford to buy something and takes it out on the ones selling it.. The animals that arent proven is where the big money is.. Look at pied balls. They were unproven, bamm pete proves them and was the only one who had them and he made lots of money.. Its ok if you dont want to buy them, I have several commitments on them already. People are going to pay 10,000 for them. They are awesome, you shouldnt make assumptions. They were very expensive for me to buy. I didnt get them for a teal. Obviously you dont deal with importing snakes and think that because someone imports a snake its cheap. The internet is in indo too and they know what stuff is worth now. Im not even making double my money here, so.. Thats fine with me if you want to produce the same exact morphs as everyone else, or the same snakes as everyone else and dont have the balls to buy something unproven and have the first and make the real money..

What ticks me off is some people just talk without any facts to back their statements up. I have lots of morphs and import more morphs than anyone else. You think its cheap for me to get the morphs? I have to pay more than all these other guys trying to get them,. You think it was cheap to get a dwarf burm before bob clark, or a cool retic over kevin. Come on.... I am willing to be cool with you guys and answer questions and share pictures but dont start slamming me like that, you have no idea what kinda money I pay. Obviously they are worth $10,000 or I would have people wanting them!!

I am sorry if I offend either of you but look at it from my point and if you paid lots of money to get animals and someone without any knowledge starting saying stuff that is so wrong!!

How do I know they are pure irian's? What other carpet comes from Irian? I know it because They told me where the parents came from.

Thanks
Savannah
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Other Australian snakes including Carpets are bred and exported from Indonesia. Now, don't get me wrong, those are great snakes you have there. The only isssue I have with those is the lateral striping those two have. It is not something I have seen ANY IJ carpet ever exhibit, even many aberrant ones. It is a trait that is most often found in Coastals. The one you posted pics of on your ad looks a bit more like an IJ (with laterla striping though) but the pic of the other more orange one looks much like a red phase Coastal baby. It even has the skinnier, more elongated head structure that baby Coastals have when compared to IJ and Jungles. ANd Indo exporters have been known to be less than accurate and sometimes will straight up screw folks having snakes imported ie. you order 10 locale specific barneck scrub pythons and you get 5 mix and match barnecks, a few Southerns, an Aru and some other godonlyknowswhat specimen. Their only goal sometimes seems to be making sure there are the same number of heads in the box that were ordered. I trust few exporters.

It's just that when I decide to spend $10,000 on a pair of snakes, I want to be exceedingly sure I know what I am getting. Sorry to be skeptical...it is my nature.
I hope they are what you say they are because someday I want piles of them. I'd be curious to see how big they grow up to be...that'll be a helpful indicator.
Regardless, they are fantastic snakes and you are very lucky to have them. Some friendly advice, drop the retics and breed these bad boys yourself! LOL! You can house 10 or more adult IJs in the same space you could house one adult retic.
-Yasser
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I know what your saying and you did it nice, thanks..I know my suppliers and they know their stuff. ANyway, both snakes have the same head, both have IJ patterns, the striping is a little odd, but like you said they are different. Maybe that stripe has something to do with the hypo gene?? Who knows, I stand behind them 100% though. Noone can agree on the same snake ever, thats just how stuff works. One guys hates morphs, the next loves them. One guy will say my hypo burm from vietnam is a indian cross, I mean morphs tend to look different, thats what makes them morphs. I wish you could see them in person, I feel you would change your mind.

Retics are being sold now actually.. I dont breed them either. Im working with the dwarf burms and balls only right now. Oh and 100% adult yellow chondros. Thats it for breeding. Thanks again Yasser, i will for sure let the buyer know of your interest in them. Some well known carpet people have expressed interest.

Savannah
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Jim, after re reading, I know your werent really attacking me, just saying what you didnt like about what people do, not just me.. We are importers not breeders, while we do breed some snakes, we dont do carpets. Or we would prove them out. There are several people that are wanting to prove them for themselves right now and thats fine with me. They will make a lot more than 10,000 when they do. If thi sis hypomelanism, its a genetic trait, i obviously cant say for sure its genetic in this carpet, but Im betting it is. That will be found out with a year or 2. It makes it alot easier and faster to do it with a pair of the same type also, like these carpets. Noone is getting ripped off, if someone see exactly what they are buying then how is it they would get ripped off? If you know carpet python people then you know these have started a big buzz. They are very neat..

Anyway, thanks for your concerns and sorry if I cam across alittle mean..

Savannah
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Well I guess I was a little out of line with the "getting it for a steal" line. I personally don't think there is a need for a middleman in this hobby. People should buy CB when possible from the original breeder and WC directly from an importer. But that's just the way I think. I am sorry if I have offended you, but it's just been on my mind lately. They are very very nice looking animals, and if I had 10K just lying around I would probably be interested too. I hope they prove genetic and we see more of them in the near future.
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Jim Kuroski

Ok thanks.. We are the direct importer, so there you go.. They are incredible animals and sometimes I do feel weird about putting high prices on an animal, but these days to be very honest, the importers are having to pay more and more for morphs. I go by what I paid and how incredible they are. These exporters have figured stuff out, just like africa.. Ralph had to pay 17,000 for that patternless direct from africa, not even the middleman, but the trapper.. Things just arent cheap anymore.. Thanks for seeing it in a little different light tho.

Savannah
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