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I heard that many T positive boas look like normal boas as an adult. Is this true? What are the differences between the VPI, BW, and Russian lines? If anyone can also post pics of adult T positives that would be great too.

Thanks,
Dan

Think of these three morphs in terms of presence or lack of presence of muddy brown.

VPI = zero muddy brown and do not look 'normal' at adulthood.

Russian and BW both present with less muddy brown than a normal boa, but it is present.

My opinion is the VPI morph is the Cadillac of the so called t-pos options.

PARADIGMS with any of the others than the BW Caramel which are becoming quite refined I might add?
This in an 06 male and the first picture was taken by Big Mike the rest are this summer. Here is his BW Caramel offspring!


I am working with the VPI line as well!

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Ty Hege
Rat Race Solutions
www.ratracesolutions.com

Those boa's are simply stunning. I hope I can produce something close to that.

Joe

I wonder how this girl is going to turn out?

Warren
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Dr Warren Booth / Director USARK
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology

>>I wonder how this girl is going to turn out?

She is off to a GREAT start!!!! Nice!!
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts

i agree with claudias with the vpi strain being the cadillac of the t-positive options.. i know im sure glad i went with the vpi strain!! not knocking the paradigms and bw caramels! i personally just dont find them as desireable! especially as adults just my 02.cents

I can only speak to the VPI T Plus Boas, but I think they are one of the only boas that truly get better with age. Here is a side shot of an almost 6 year old very special female that shows the color. Nothing "normal" about them.

John Manser

Here is an adult island line CA T pos. Doesn't quite reach the size of the others but certainly rivals or surpasses in
color. Will be crossing the gene into bci hypos this year.

Colombian T positive are like any other boas, some are dark, some are light, some are collorfull, some are not, some are clean some are not. Some bloodlines have been refined, some have not been yet.
T blonde albinos have not been refined, I am working on it.

Here are some at birth.

and here a 4 years old gravide blonde albinos.

The 'BW' and Russian 'Blond' genes do allow for the presence of muddy brown. It is visible everyone can see it, even if in various degrees based on selective breeding as you cite. That presence of boa brown in varying degrees is indisputable and is the focus of my point.

The VPI gene is not a partial muddy brown cleanup; it does all the work on muddy brown and erases all muddy brown no matter the various differences amongst selectively bred individuals that you cite. That is also indisputable as well.

>>The 'BW' and Russian 'Blond' genes do allow for the presence of muddy brown. It is visible everyone can see it, even if in various degrees based on selective breeding as you cite. That presence of boa brown in varying degrees is indisputable and is the focus of my point.
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>>The VPI gene is not a partial muddy brown cleanup; it does all the work on muddy brown and erases all muddy brown no matter the various differences amongst selectively bred individuals that you cite. That is also indisputable as well.

Your statement is correct but for the argentine T
Concerning T positive colombian from VPi they can also have a muddy brown close to black, I could illustrate that with many pics I have been collecting during the last 7 years. But no need there are some down this post that confirm it.
Selective breeding make the differences. But the blondes also brings genetic stipped tails and can through out aberrant ones up to 100%.

http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1733984,1734168

jsc
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"As hard as I've tried, just can't NOT do this"
John Crickmer

Hey Dan, how have you been doing? Give me a call. Now to the boas. I like both the VPI and the Paradigms but if i had to choose one it would definately be the VPI. I like the pale cream background of the of the vpi tpos over the caramel look of the paradigm. I like both the Paradigm and the VPI And i have never worked with the others so can not speak on them. Here a few pics for comparison.
Marcus

Paradigm

Paradigm and VPI T POS

Vpi Tpos

Marcus. Call me 513 252-6140. Thanks, and nice T-Pos.

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In my opinion VPI would be the only way to go on the T positives. Sure you have Paradigms with the B&W but I could only imagine that the equivalent of the VPI will blow the paradigm out of the water, it will just take longer to produce which is also a positive because it will retain its value. Also, in this hard economy, I see it pretty hard to sell Russians and B&W since they really do look close enough to normals. If I didn’t go VPI then I would go Nic. T positive next and then probably Argentine T positive, though the Russians and B&W look okay, I think the previously named will produce the more colorful morphs.

disagree. Alain aka Zenznia has posted pix of some outstanding pix of nicer adult Blondes that compare or are better(IMO)than a lot of the VPI adults i've seen. This doesn't feflect the Pink Panthers as I haven't seen to many adults yet but going by apples to apples VPI vs. Blondes or BW carmels. We got to remember VPI's have been worked on longer than both BW and Blondes to get where they're at today. Although I don't own a BW yet(I WILL SOON ENOUGH) I have Blondes and VPI's. Yes my VPI looks better than my Blonde but the boy I got was the last of the avaiable males and is definitely not a poster child for the line. Alain has some of the nicest Blondes i've seen and I know not a lot of people have seen his pix so they by default take the side of the VPI cause they're everywhere as far as pix go. I think the people that are giving their opinion that don't own either or none period should really do the math befor they reply. A pic is worh a thousand words but real life in front of your own eyes is what really counts in my opinion. I think once the BWC and the Russian Blondes are worked with more and more refined we'll see some people change their opinions. In the long run the fact that they do look different than eachother is a plus. Some T pos will appeal to some and the others will appeal to others. Just like Sharp vs. Kahl. Although I love my VPI, I think it's a little premature to Judge the other lines until they've had the refining that the VPI's have had. Especially the BWC's. I think we've yet to see what they and the Russian line has to offer. All I can say is. i'm glad I have my Blonde in the early stages. Going to Anaheim Angel?

Hey Ruben. The way I see it is to each his/her own. I do like all the t positives. I just stated my pinion as to what "I" like best. In regards to Anaheim, yeah, I'll be going. I know I still owe you a beer so I'll take care of you there.

"I see it pretty hard to sell Russians and B&W since they really do look close enough to normals."

Well I don't yet have adults , but this 18 month old BWC Male along side of a Normal looking (Parahet) subadult shows quite a difference to me . --

I have nothing bad to say about the others , as they all look quite appealing to me . I just like the diversity that the BWC has with the Sharp strain.
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Snake room janitor

That's a great looking Carmel! I can see why people would have their preferences but I'm just fascinated by how completely different the types of T Positives look from each other. The Carmel, Paradigm, Russian, VPI, etc. T plus genes seem to do more than just affect the black pigment.

what happens with the market for VPI T positives over the next few years. I think the Barkers have produced multiple litters over the last few years and are probably ready to REALLY ramp up production with their holdbacks.

We're also starting to see combo morphs pop up with them as well.

It's going to be interesting. I for one can't wait until they become a little more affordable for your lower level keeper such as myself. I can't afford to fork out $5K for a pink panther, but I WILL have one in the future!! Probably a double dose pink panther hypo! mmmmm!!!

jb
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Jonathan Brady

Deviant Constrictors picturetrail

VPI T Pos.

No comparison, cmon look at the adults.
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Richard Ceniceros

Cluadius
"VPI = zero muddy brown and do not look 'normal' at adulthood.
My opinion is the VPI morph is the Cadillac of the so called t-pos options.

Ceniceros
"VPI T Pos. No comparison, cmon look at the adults."

VFR
"In my opinion VPI would be the only way to go on the T positives. Sure you have Paradigms with the B&W but I could only imagine that the equivalent of the VPI will blow the paradigm out of the water, I see it pretty hard to sell Russians and B&W since they really do look close enough to normals"

Boacraze
"i agree with claudias with the vpi strain being the cadillac of the t-positive options.. i know im sure glad i went with the vpi strain!!"

I think all of you need to open your mind and realize that the VPI line has WIDELY varying degrees of color and have been manipulated and refined the most!! I'll agree with you that the VPI line is wonderful and unique but did they look like that right off the bat? No buddy, they looked Bone white washed, with dark brown and even Black!! My opinion isn't a unbiased one because Ive invested in ALL except for the Russian's, and I have seen all types in person!!

How long have Paradigms been around..... 5 years. Thats it! Trust me contrary to wherever you got your info that Paradigms don't look amazing as adults your wrong. I have SEEN Paradigms that compete with Pink Panthers. Dont believe me? Go to basicallyboas.com and look.

Caramels.... How many have you seen? How many have been produced? Caramels are sick bro and without any refining have they most varied and amazing colors. Given the time and through selective breeding they'll be on par with the best from ANY strain.

Russian's... If you would LOOK at the pics out there and the one just posted, you would see some really beautiful animals. I don't think they look there best until there adults, but they still turn out exceptional. From the picture that Zenzina posted i could see no "Brown"

I'd be really careful when you say one is the "Cadillac", or its "No comparison." It sounds ignorant and your not seeing the bigger picture.

There is no reason to get offended and bash people's opinion. You have the right to like a specific looking boa and not everyone is ignorant because they don't agree with you. I'm sorry but in the pictures you posted, you stated that there is a difference but you posted your boa with a very dark boa. I have owned normals that have been almost as light as your t positive. To be honest with you I think arabesque boas have similar color. Someone had asked an opinion to what they liked and people responded and people are getting called ignrant for it? From where I sit the only people getting offened are the ones that have invested in the "other" t-positives. That is fine that you own them and like them but that does not mean that everyone else has to also.