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Non Het that is....I have to much free time on my hands today. I know of a few that are still working with some very pale almost patternless stock as well as another line with much yellow.

Any others that would like to share pics?

Thanks

>>Non Het that is....I have to much free time on my hands today. I know of a few that are still working with some very pale almost patternless stock as well as another line with much yellow.
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>>Any others that would like to share pics?

My old one is pictured on top of this forum page....
Wish I still had her....

Regards,
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

I always liked the red phase brooksi as some call these now. Variance is very interesting. There were two fairly typical phases I came across with some high yellow phases still exhibiting red on their sides into adulthood.

John, thanks for pointing that out.

'07 female(pic taken today)

'07 male(pic taken today)

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Doug, are you following me from forum to forum

Keep responding with herps that appear just as they were 30 years ago. Yet again, Outstanding.

Thanks for sharing.

Yeah, that's too funny!. I also get around to the many other forums too, as I have deep interests in many other types of stuff as well,...as you could plainly see...hahaha!

Snakes, snakes, and MORE snakes!!!gotta' lovem'..LOL!!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

holy moly big 07s........those are nice !! what is their heritage?
BTW : are you a lefty how do you hit the shutter button with your left or did you have assistance ,or the pics coulda been taken in the southern hemisphere lol TIE (Take It Easy)Spanish for L8r.Chris

HAHA!!,...

they are supposed to be descendants from Bill Schmeidecki's old southern Miami/Dade bloodlines.

Yes,...I AM left-handed!,...how the heck did you know that??.LOL!

luckily as you know, I have very long arms, they definitely help with those "in-hand" shots of bigger animals..LOL!

The male is well over 1000 grams, and just 24 months old now. He could even be much bigger, but I don't really want him getting too much bigger than the female, as he is already overbearing enough..hahaha!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

>>>>Yes,...I AM left-handed!,...how the heck did you know that??.LOL! "

I must on been the opposable thumbs in the pic.....have a happy,C

btw heres a Brooks and sweet child of mine" C

HAHAH!!

too funny!,......nice brooksi your son is holding too!. What is the history there?.....the SNAKE I mean..LOL!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

>>>>too funny!,......nice brooksi your son is holding too!. What is the history there?.....the SNAKE I mean..LOL!

Well about 20 years ago while dancing w/my girl i said...Wooow
Oh you meant he snake...I t is a Possible W/C S. Dade i aquired from a friend down there who had a shop and he bought it from a local ??thats all i know ....Even 5 y/ago wild were very rare even in my home town so i bought it,long story i have bred to WS and she layed this year to Sulfer lav and she never laid , never witnessed cop. but she showed gravid for a long time now she is absorrbing her belly btw the Sulf lav didnt prove fertile on 3 other tries.Dunno.C

I know how that goes. I had a young Honduran "ghost" reabsorb her eggs this year, or maybe she just reabsorbed her ova follicles. Whatever the case, nothing happened with THAT particular female. It would have been nice too, because the hatchlings would have been all hypo's/het anery from an extreme grand-sire. Those would have been special!. I really threw me for a loop, because she got nice and swollen after breeding.

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Very nice...

But brooksi aren't supposed to be high-color!

That male reminds me of my big sulfur king from the Tampa area:

Thanks, Nick!..

He does look extremely similar to your Sulphur from Tampa,.... yours seems to have more yellow in it's overall color scheme than mine does though.

That is one super nice animal there,....the one from Hubbs' book I see, right?..LOL!

All I can say is they are what they are, and are supposed to be from Schmeidecki's old bloodline. Too bad I didn't capture both of them there myself, then it would be etched in "stone"..LOL!

later, man! ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

All I can say is they are what they are, and are supposed to be from Schmeidecki's old bloodline. Too bad I didn't capture both of them there myself, then it would be etched in "stone"..LOL!

Doug,
How do you know they are from Scheidideckis bloodline? I am just wondering how/who told you that?
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I didn't make the name Schmeidecke up out of nowhere!
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Many may not recognize the name.

Since most of the Brooksi I grew up on were through dealers and collectors in NYC I do not truly know where they were collected. They were only labeled as Brooksi. These WC adults varied from a pale white to a high yellow.

Actually, all three of you that have posted show pics of what was then labeled as Brooksi. This is going back to the 70's. These adults were massive and very desirable herps where I resided. We saw many. The pic you show is one I would have said one of the color phases of Brooksi that we would see in NYC in the 70's.

Is this a lone King from the Tampa area or a type that is/was typically seen. Granted, much has changed in Florida over the years. Massive development that has displaced many herps. The old habit of capturing herps and releasing them else where later. As well as an old habit of early hobbyists releasing hatchlings from gravid females in convenient areas aside from where the said parents were collected. This went on alot. Especially when there was no internet, herp mags and several disenfranchised hobbyists thinking they were but a few interested in herps.

Much of this hobby began as individual herpers that basically kept W/C snakes, for the most part temporarily. If there were eggs laid while in their care and thus hatched they would release hatchlings back into the wild. Common practice. This then progressed onward in a very loose fashion of hobbyists associating with other hobbyists where as they would start to trade some offspring. Releasing many others though as well. Sometime where ever they wanted with no regard to where they were originally collected.

Unfortunately, in modern times it has grown to another level in some areas where as breeders who can not sell certain hatchlings, or have problem feeders readily release them. Kings from CA, Corns from SC and Burmese pythons for that matter being released into the wild. Into areas they were not originally from. This practice has not really diminished.

One very well known successful breeder actually speaks of this habit as well. I believe he has a blog on his website confirming this was typical of herpers in this hobby's infancy.

Anyway, I should get the new Hubb's book as it may help me understand more of the representative's presented for each locale. But since I do not have the book in front of me now, I would be interested in knowing if the book focuses only on certain phases and their locales of the present or does it take into account areas and what were contained within them from the past?

The more I look into this the more questions I always end up with LOL

Regards, Rich Hebron

Rich,....

All of what you mentioned in your post here is absolutely true. And of course only leads to more "head-scratching" in regards to certain specimens that appear, or even certain entire populations.

Same thing with Jasper County corn releases. Nobody will EVER know, and can only speculate and compare to the best of their ability, that's really all we can do. Nobody knows everything about the strange dynamics of what really actually happens in many of these cases, only pure guess-work.

If one uses their powers of reasoning, it is quite easy to visualize this very thing playing a part of stuff we now see.

Good post!

~Doug
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Rich-

Hey how is it going. Missed you at daytona again this year.

That was a great post. It was great you laying all out there. Now all we have to do is make this a sticky.LOL!

..Or maybe I can quote some of it on my website? Recognition to you of course.
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Long time Bud, and yes I did not attend Daytona again this year. I actually wanted to but family stuff came first as it should.

Really only a compilation of what others have said previously. There is something that seems to prevail in this hobby that I never really could understand. As each new generation comes in to this hobby there seems to be a new thought that emerges. Has been going on ever since I started at least. A very staunch immediate approach of assumptions without looking at the history of it all. I never could fully understand why in a hobby that we all share there can be so much , for the lack of a better word, arrogance. There are so many that seem to attack instead of listen. Then again, there are those that have much info. to share that do not.

In my opinion, that's the real problem with-in our hobby. Not what people work with. It all has it's place. It would be better at least to me if people labeled herps for what they actually are. This way those new to snakes do not continue labeling things incorrectly. Not really their fault. There is a lack of clear info. being provided by some that have been in this hobby for many years. Without keeping one's mind open and curious about the history of it all we will definitely be an accompolice to a very large injustice.

I recall all I dealt with when I started keeping herps was public criticism. Many thought it odd for me to be interested in of all things, snakes. Many were appalled. I even had a girlfriend dump me super fast once she saw my collection

I miss that time. It appears to me now, we are our own worst enemy. I guess some might have been on to something back then with being appalled with people interested in snakes. Honestly, look at the whole of it. Have you ever seen so much arguing and attitudes anywhere else in your life, outside of our immediate family that is LOL.

I wonder if any Sociologists and Pyschologists follow these forums

If you found some sense in what I posted, please feel free to use it where ever you may.

It is good to hear from you and I do plan on becoming more active in this hobby. I will start hitting some shows next season and look forward to hanging out with you and Tom as well as many others once again.

Rich,

One word, DEMOCRATS! Herpetoculture is full of them.

I am involved with 3 other hobbies not related to herps. MMA, guns and knifes. I regularly post on those forums boards and like you said, the anomosity within herpetoculture is amazing. It is refresshing to belong to other hobbies were there is more charity and respect.

I think it attracts people who have a more "scientific" backround= hence evolution=hence lack of God!

Without God there is not much of a bonding process like you find with people interested in Guns (NRA), or even MMA where guys come from a harder backround. There is a total respect there that we don't have among people involved in this hobby. No respect. Not even for experienced pioneers. Everything is questioned and every know-nothing with a computer can post here. That is why most people who have been in this hobby for over 20 years don't bother with this generation. They have no respect. When i was a kid we LOOKED UP to those who have been collecting and keeping herps. It would make our day just because they would throw us some crumbs.

Another problem I think we have is a public court or "public opinion" on the internet IS NOT how we judge situations. But some think it is okay. There is one other herp site in particular I am speaking of. Thanks Mr. Cornsnake guy!!
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I'm there with you with the NRA. Actually live about 10 minutes from one of the largest outdoor range in the country. I watch MMA but don't think I would bode well now if I had to in such a situation. I'm more like the before picture of you. Big burly with rips that are shown in one packs LOL

The word "anomosity" is used well to describe all this. I will use it in another forum on one of my other threads if you do not mind.

All valid points but I never considered religion and God in all this. It makes alot of sense. I am very religious. Personal thing, but God is very important in my life.

I see you have given much thought toward this issue. Thanks for posting your view. Makes sense to me.

Ya Rich, you can use my word "anomosity" any time LOL! ..j/k

You can use what i wrote or any part there-of. Glad to see you beleive in a creator.

Have you looked at the libertarian party? Basically less gov't involved in peoples lives. Everybody that reads up on it likes it. But the general thinking is it will never happen because of a wasted vote.

I don't know if you heard that "The Governator"- Arnold Schwartznegger wants to create a no party system. Where people just vote for who they think is best. He has some really cool ideas and how to put them into action.. Of course being a republican governer in a strong democcratic state is already quite an acheivement..
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"Have you looked at the libertarian party? Basically less gov't involved in peoples lives. Everybody that reads up on it likes it. But the general thinking is it will never happen because of a wasted vote".

Yes, actually. I would like more to read up on it. This Country needs it now more then ever. Agreed that many consider it a wasted vote. I'm quilty of it myself

Take care, Rich