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I know these aren't Brooksi but they are still Kingsnakes...
The Kings of Variability without Morphs or Hets or such...

I usually post these over on the Mexicana Forum but they've already seen them all...LOL
I thought I would share some pics with you all....Enjoy

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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

So many to choose from, I can't pick a favorite, I love the throwbacks you've chosen!
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Todd Hughes

>>So many to choose from, I can't pick a favorite, I love the throwbacks you've chosen!
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>>Todd Hughes

Thanks Todd...
Yep...I like the retro looks some of them have...Especially the two "no blacks" I picked out from Mrs. Rogers....
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

Man!,....those are some absolutely striking examples of the variation of "thayeri"!!.

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

>>Man!,....those are some absolutely striking examples of the variation of "thayeri"!!.

Thanks Doug....I love Xmas in the Summer ya know....
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

Very cool John! Are those past and present or do you have all of those now?
Tom Stevens
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TomsSnakes.com
twitter.com/TomsSnakes

>>Very cool John! Are those past and present or do you have all of those now?
>>Tom Stevens

Those are my currents......
Same goes for the Mex Mex above.....
I think I have rebuilt nicely....
And I can't wait for babies to hatch out over here again....
It's been a LONG while.

Thanks for the compliment bro....
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

OUTSTANDING animals!

~ Mike Russo

>>OUTSTANDING animals!

Thank you Mike...

Now I need some Black Xmas Mt. Alterna as well as some Black Gap, River Road or Generic Speckleds....LOL

I do miss working with alterna...
I plan on getting some again soon...
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

I keep saying I am going to get a pair of those, I just love that variety. If ever there was a kingsnake to be referred to as a "living jewel" those would definately be it.
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Kevin Harrell
www.harrellandsonsherps.com

>>I keep saying I am going to get a pair of those, I just love that variety. If ever there was a kingsnake to be referred to as a "living jewel" those would definately be it.

I agree Kevin.
Nothing beets their variability and colors in their natural form.
So go ahead and get you a pair or more...
I don't know anyone with just one pair...
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

Bravo! I've always wanted to get into those! Thayeri are one of the most beautiful groups of snakes imho. Thanx for letting us appreciate them w/ you.

reako45

>>Bravo! I've always wanted to get into those! Thayeri are one of the most beautiful groups of snakes imho. Thanx for letting us appreciate them w/ you.

I really appreciate the compliments....
This subspecies is one of the most unpredictable when it comes to hatch time......SOOOOO much variability. It is amazing....
No hets or morphs needed here for a cool clutch of different looking siblings......
Thanks.....
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

You know how they used to think blairs and alternas were two different species? How many species did they think thayeri were?

Can you get some of all of those colors in one litter?

Amazing!
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Kent

I meant to ask if you could get some OR all of those in one litter.
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Kent

>>You know how they used to think blairs and alternas were two different species? How many species did they think thayeri were?
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>>Can you get some of all of those colors in one litter?
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>>Amazing!

The Thayeri story is VERY similar to Alterna.
There are two distinct phases. One being the Leonis phase (similar to the alterna phase in graybands). The other phase being Milk Snake Phase or MSP (similar to the blairs phase in graybands). Both hatched from one single collected female.....
And there is one single recessive morph. It is the melanistic thayeri (solid black).....

And yes...When these hatch out you will get MSP and Leonis hatchlings in one clutch....Some have been line bred for one or the other...but even then all leonis siblings in one clutch are different from each other....Same goes for most MSPs.....

Here's a couple pics of some past clutches I've hatched out....
Talk about Variability.....These have it in their blood....

The other side of the story is this....Back in the 70s when our wild bloodlines were collected many thought Greeri and Mex Mex and Thayeri were all phases of the same snake.....Ruthveni were thought to be Jalisco milksnake variations....
I think we got it figured out now....But there are so many "inbetweeners" still in the Mexico wild....The Mexicana complex has much to be discovered still.
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

Weren't alterna considered a subspecies of mexicana at one time?

I'm beginning to think I like some of these kings and milks better than my corns. So many snakes . . .so little space to keep them.

This is my first alterna. I need to get some better pics of her.

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Kent

>>Weren't alterna considered a subspecies of mexicana at one time?
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>>I'm beginning to think I like some of these kings and milks better than my corns. So many snakes . . .so little space to keep them.
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>>This is my first alterna. I need to get some better pics of her.

Yes Kent....Alterna were thought to be Mexicana...I think they still should be in my opinion. They are closely related to Thayeri.
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

Those are realy beauties you posted!

..you are the Go-To man for Thareyi.

Great explanation you gave on the thayeri on sat night at the expo. is there a place i can read what you are doing? A website perhaps??
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www.Bluerosy.com

>>Those are realy beauties you posted!
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>>..you are the Go-To man for Thareyi.
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>>Great explanation you gave on the thayeri on sat night at the expo. is there a place i can read what you are doing? A website perhaps??

Thanks Rainer....
Most of my projects are with Mexicana Mexicana, but there are a couple Thayeri projects I am working on....

I have a couple blogs with a bunch of pics and explanations of my intentions on RG.....I will email you a link.....
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."