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Hi All,

Just a couple of question regarding the genetics of HypoE and Striped Sinaloans.

#1. Is it possible to produce HypoE Striped Sinaloans?
#2. If so, Has it been done?
#3. How long would it take to achieve?

Only reason being is, I have not seen any, plus I have a Striped Male and HypoE Female.

Look forward to hearing from you,

Scott
Scotland

Scott, I personally have never seen or heard of one, either. My guess is that it would definitely be possible, after several generations breeding for it. I have produced Striped Sinaloan Albino's myself, but have no HypoE snakes. I would like to see a T neg Albino Striped Sinaloan as well.

Scott MacLeod (also Scots born, now in Southern California)
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Scott MacLeod
2.6 Snow Hondurans
2-4 Aberrant Hondurans
1.2 Aberrant Hypo Hondurans
0.1 Aberrant Hybino Honduran
1.3 Extreme Hypo VP
1.1 Tricolor Hypo VP
1.1 Albino Striped Sinaloan
2.7 Striped Sinaloan
2.4 Het Albino Sinaloan

Thanks for the quick reply Scott!

Thats promising feedback anyway, I'm well aware it's going to take a healthy couple of years to breed back the young. More so figuring out which hatchlings will be HypoE's themselves.

Thanks Again Scott,

Scott Melton

Hi scott, can you post a picture of your HypoE sinaloans as a lot i see are just dark normals .
thanks roger

Yeah sure, She has been confirmed on this forum before hand. Although, I don't see why an other say on the matter will hurt.

HypoE female;

Normal Male;

The Stripes are from Bob Applegates stock. The believed HypoE was bought as my first snake, So a very good find I believe. Especially being in the UK, Not many about at all.

Scott

Scott, I also have the Applegate line, a little more convenient for me since he is an hour away from me and I have been to his house a few times.
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Scott MacLeod
2.6 Snow Hondurans
2-4 Aberrant Hondurans
1.2 Aberrant Hypo Hondurans
0.1 Aberrant Hybino Honduran
1.3 Extreme Hypo VP
1.1 Tricolor Hypo VP
1.1 Albino Striped Sinaloan
2.7 Striped Sinaloan
2.4 Het Albino Sinaloan

hi scott , well she dosnt scream HypoE to me, have you a picture
not so close and with out a flash ? did you buy her as a HypoE ?
or are you just guessing?
roger

Hi Roger,

I'm afraid I don't have any updated pictures, As I have just recieved her back today, along with my Striped Pair. I will get some photos with and without flash tomorrow.

Hi Chris,

That is an extremely impressive Sinaloan. I too am looking forward to seeing what will pop out of them eggs. Hope it's a fast one for you!

Kind Regards,
Scott

Hi Scott,
Yes, it would be possible to get a Striped/Splotched Hypo E. It would be a double homozygous morph. Both traits being simple recessive you would have to breed a Stripe/Splotched to a Hypo E & produce normal looking that are double heterozygous. Correct me if I'm wrong on the genetics of the Stiped/Splotched. Then after you've raised those offspring up, breed them back to each other & on paper 1 in 16 would be the double mutation. So this would be a 2 generation project.
There are other variations of breeding that will achieve the Striped/Splotched Hypo E, but in a nut shell both parents will have to carry both genetic traits either as homozygous or heterozygous.
I honestly don't know if the Striped/Splotched Hypo E has been achieved yet or if it will be done this year. If anyone would have an answer to that, it would be Nathan Wells. Maybe we can get him to chime in on this one.
Chris

.......is a killer example of an extreme case of "hypo-E" being expressed!!,...or maybe even anery, but who really knows without laboratory testing. All that can be said for sure, is it certainly ain't red!, nor is there any yellow/cream colored pigmentation. Hard to say which chromataphores are really responsible there, as erythrophores and xanthophores can often act in conjunction with each other depending on many different variables.

Many of the hypo-E animal's I've seen start out basically normal orangey/red, then gradually get much lighter ontogenically as they mature, so there is obviously a DEFINITE difference between these two types of bloodlines.

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Thanks Doug.
She is definitely one of the prized gems in my collection. And to think how I stumbled across her at a small show a year ago. When I saw her out of the corner of my eye, I first thought she was an Anery or Ghost Hondo until I took a closer look then noticed the band count & head shape. I've been so pleased with her ever since.
I've wondered too if she has something else going on in her besides the Hypo E. I've looked around quite a bit & haven't seen many others like her. Maybe Nathan has something that resembles her.
From the paper work I have on her she is decended from Pete Cragg's Hypo E stock. She is from a Hypo E bred to a Hypo E so I wonder if that could explain why she is the way she is.
I talked to the guy I bought her from a little over a week ago. He bought her as a hatchling & told me she's been that light ever sinse he got her.
I currently have 6 eggs cooking from her & my het male. I can hardly wait to see what the Hypo Es look like from this clutch. I've got about a month to go & it's going to be a long month at that.
Thanks again,
Chris
p.s. I'll try to get some nicer updated pics of her soon.

Chris,....awesome!!

Yes, that is indeed the deal on those. Nathan Wells told me the ENTIRE history of those a long time ago. Also, as you mentioned, Pete Cragg first discovered this trait from a single pair of odd looking pale orange adults in 1997.

I think you did EXTREMELY well when you snatched that one up off a guys table!!, that is indeed a "REAL DEAL" sinaloae in every respect meristic-wise too, and it couldn't look more genuine,..otherwise it wouldn't impress me in the least.

I look REAL forward to seeing what you produce from that homo/het pairing....as you said, it will be a LONG month!..LOL!

best regards, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"