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Well I just got an email showing a new Morph and figured I'd post it here!

Pretty cool I'd say!

These are somewhere in Europe though I am not sure where. Very exciting when something new pops up. I have no information other what was written in the email. Apparently 13 baby "Tumbes" Boas.

It is very interesting to me because there are inverse tail stripe animals as well as patternless. I would not have expected that to be the case. Perhaps the patternless are "supers" of the reverse strip animals. Who knows? But very very cool!
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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

That's the craziest BCL I've ever seen!!

Amie

How many breeding trails have been done with this?? Reminds me of the patternless harleys! Pretty cool stuff
Jake

Though most inverse tail stripe animals are NOT genetic, it is really interesting to note that this one apparently looks to possibly make a super form that is utterly patternless.

Having bred a total of six different bloodline of inverse tail stripe Boas successfully, I have found of those six only two are genetic. The exact nature of those genetics has not been fully explored. The results so far make me wonder if some sort of third gene might be necessary to make this whole thing kick into high gear. It is a strange one for sure but ultimately appealing I think.

Makes me wonder if I did the inverse to inverse if something like this might occur. Hhhmmmm... I did try inverse siblings together several years ago but was not successful. I have not tried that again for a few years. Hhhmmmm... I think I might revisit that again.

Regardless, these babies which were born to the Atomic Animals people is very very exciting!

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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

I agree it reminds me of the patternless Harlequin Boas

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz
Boas By Klevitz

They look to be of Costa Rican or Panamanian origin perhaps? based on the normals...

Those animals tend to show lots of aberrancies or lack of pattern sometimes referred to as tiger, reverse stripe, patternless and such... love that stuff.

Love the faded head markings, or lack of, on that patternless baby!

Great stuff, thanks for sharing Jeff!
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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

These are Tumbes Boas. Tumbes is in Peru West of the Andes Mountains. The Boas from there are called by most: Boa constrictor longicauda
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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

Those are so cool looking. I can't wait to what's going to happen the next couple of years with longi's. Hypo longicauda are rumored to be out there but i haven't heard any thing for a while on them. then there are a couple people working with the full body reverse stripes like the ones seen there. sold tail stripes show up in my 08 litter and in a friends 09 litter. then there is the anerys which have always been around. a the hypermels have been reproduce from hypermels, still got to work out the genetics some more but their there alright. now if we can just start putting it altogether.

I remember them to be looking quite different years ago... deff darker with longer, darker tails... upon first glance of the normal, I thought it resembled panamanians you see today.

I had what looked to be a hypo I purchased from Gus many moons ago... I think I still have pics saved on my older PC which I can dig up and send.

I thought they were simply being called "Tumbes" considering the quotes, lol, but quite an exciting breakthrough for BCL!

Thanks again
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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

working on! Thanks for the heads up Jeff!
It does remind you of something from 05 huh? I like the fact you see the entire litter. Glad I checked my email hadn't been on lately.

Here are my two sibling females who also are the ONLY siblings still in existence.

As a yearling

Presently

As a yearling

No present shot of her but smoking!

This patternless female animal belongs to Brendan Magee and is the ONLY(darn those thermostats) one still in existence but the picture was taken by me on my pool table. It is REALLY too bad the father of that litter also passed.

This is of course the ONLY pic ever shown of the 4 little wigglers born over here in the states. (pic taken by Brendan Magee)

NEVER did get to see a pic of them with there sibs or any of them together. The two I got were offered luckily before the accident so who knows what could happen/

Can't wait to see the parents of the Euro litter!

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Ty Hege
Rat Race Solutions
www.ratracesolutions.com

normal JUST like in the Harlequins! Can't wait for fall!
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Ty Hege
Rat Race Solutions
www.ratracesolutions.com

Hey Ty looks to be pretty certain the reverse stripe on that one
is a visual cue of the patternless trait.
Bright future with that little Reverse Stripe gal !

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz
Boas By Klevitz

I have BIG plans for her this fall. Thanks bro.
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Ty Hege
Rat Race Solutions
www.ratracesolutions.com

They almost look like super DUPER roswells lol!

I can finally die happy now

Those things are SEXY!!
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1.2 Longicauda
2.2 Bolivian Amarali
1.4 S.B. Amarali
1.1 Centalians
1.0 Dumerils
2.2 Hog Isles

well since youa re dying happy can i have your collection lol

THOSE ARE AMAZING!!!!

PATTERNLESS Longi's.....The next MUST HAVE boa

I know I want some...

Jared
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~ Striped boas ROCK! ~

Amazing! So Pretty!!!
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"Muscle Morph Constrictors"
1.0 Arabesque Het. Kahl "stripe line" Albino
1.0 Sunglow Het. Moonglow
1.0 "Orange tail" Hypo (possible jungle) Double Het. Sunglow
0.1 "Salmon" Hypo (possible super) Double Het. Sunglow
0.1 "Salmon" Hypo Double Het. Sunglow
1.1 Anery Het. Snow
1.1 Ghost Het. Moonglow
1.2 Kahl "stripe line" Albino (25% hogg)

Hi Jeff, Hi Everyone,
I'm Phil Savarin, the owner, with my partner Julien Alvo, of the longicauda pictured. I sent you the mail this morning. Thank you very much for relaying that post on that forum, I had trouble to post pics as I'm not used to the kingsnake forum.
My partner and I are very happy to "hear" all your comments and the enthousiasm around those amazing snakes.
To answer some questions, the parents look like normal Tumbes boas. The mâle is very black and grey, with the "sword" between the eyes. The female is more patternless, but really nothing to see with the babies. We had no idea of what will sort out from those boas.
We will post some pics of the babies (one more below) and some of the parents.
For those who woumd like to get more information about those little gems, please feel free to get in touche with us at contact@atomic-animals.com
Please be patient for the pics to be posted and the replies as we are french professionnal breeders located near Paris and it's now late in the night for us (half past midnight). I go to sleep.
Thanks once more for your comments.
Philippe Savarin & Julien Alvo
www.atomic-animals.com

Congratulations on the exciting litter. A few years ago I had a striped animal appear in a longicauda litter. It has a similar pattern to some of yours

misiformation running around out there. It was a premature litter. The others past from malformations not a bad thermostat. The F3 Harlequin father bred him self sick and wouldn't eat. I took him to the vet and still lost him. But on the happier side. I will be breeding her for the first time this year. congrats to the french men who produce those little smokers.


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People will say what they want to say, believe what they want to believe. No matter what proof you have to the contrary.

Brendan
BCI by Design

Having seen the patternless in person, all I can say is wow. It is truelly a stunning animal.

You coming to the show at the weekend?
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Dr Warren Booth / Director USARK
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology

Good Luck with her Brendan ,she looks sweet really sweet !!!
My '03 male Salmon Harle did the same thing to himself
Really Sad part was no fem took for him & me.

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz
Boas By Klevitz

I wonder how these will look in a few years. Will they go through the longicauda darkening?

Warren
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Dr Warren Booth / Director USARK
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology