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I have a bit of a mystery on my hands. I bred these two ghosts together:

Ghost = hypo anery a, so ghost x ghost should = all hypo babies. Somehow, it seems that this didn't happen. It also appears that both parents are het amel and charcoal. Most of the babies in the clutch came out looking like this:

These look nothing like the parents did as hatchlings. To me they appear to be charcoals, and not hypo. The baby that looks closest to being a ghost is this one which still doesn't have hypo eyes:

I also got this snow and what appears to be a blizzard:

Any theories on what happened here? The adults both look distinctly ghost-like with light colored irises, I've had them since they were hatchlings, and this is the first time either has bred. I only had one other female produce this year, and she was a sunglow mot, so no chance of mixing up the clutches. I also don't have a single breedable animal with the charcoal gene, as far as I know. This should be a genetic impossibility if I am understanding it all correctly. What happened?
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Ethans Den

Are you certain the top two are ghosts? They look phenotypically different than ghosts to me.

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Chris Jones
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Very interesting, and very cute babies, congrats! I look forward to hearing what people think the parents are. Must have some combo of Anery A, Charcoal, and Amel in your genetics to get that clutch I'd think. I can imagine how surprised you were when they started to hatch out!
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Ball Pythons
1.1 het Caramel (Edward & Bella)
1.0 het Orange Ghost (Voldemort)
0.1 Pastel Orange Ghost (Nagini)
1.1 Mojave (Lucius & Renesme)
0.1 Pastel Lesser (Narcissa)
1.0 Pewter (Salazar)
0.1 Bumble Bee (Alice)
1.0 Pinstripe (Jacob)
1.0 Bell Pastel (Jasper)
0.1 African Dinker (Esme)

Corns
1.1 het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Blood (Romeo & Juliet)
1.0 Blizzard (Cotton)
0.1 Anery Blood (Ravenclaw)
0.1 Amel Blood aka Fire (Ginny)
0.1 Lavender Blood aka Plasma (new - no name yet)
0.1 Ultramel Charcoal (new - no name yet)

Western Hogs
1.0 Albino (Hogwarts)
0.1 het Albino (Hufflepuff)

>>I have a bit of a mystery on my hands. I bred these two ghosts together:
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>>Ghost = hypo anery a, so ghost x ghost should = all hypo babies. Somehow, it seems that this didn't happen. It also appears that both parents are het amel and charcoal. Most of the babies in the clutch came out looking like this:
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>>These look nothing like the parents did as hatchlings. To me they appear to be charcoals, and not hypo. The baby that looks closest to being a ghost is this one which still doesn't have hypo eyes:
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>>I also got this snow and what appears to be a blizzard:
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>>Any theories on what happened here? The adults both look distinctly ghost-like with light colored irises, I've had them since they were hatchlings, and this is the first time either has bred. I only had one other female produce this year, and she was a sunglow mot, so no chance of mixing up the clutches. I also don't have a single breedable animal with the charcoal gene, as far as I know. This should be a genetic impossibility if I am understanding it all correctly. What happened?
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>>Ethans Den

hmmm looks like charcoal, snow and blizzard
hard to tell
well it seems as if you have anery A and anery B (charcoal) involved and also a second form of hypo. hypo to hypo should give you hypo even if the two forms of anerythrism are different.
a hypo anery A X a hypo anery B would give you hypos het anery A het anery B (charcoal).
So, this would mean there is a seperate hypo. My guess would be lava. But it could be sunkissed as well.
Either way they were both het amel.
and either both are het anery B or one was homo anery A het anery B and the other homo anery B het anery A.
I THINK
This is what I am thinking anyway.
I may be way off but the only way to get blizzard is anery B and the only way to get snow is anery A (that one does look snow not opal)
of course amel is needed for both
and the only way to put hypo to hypo and NOT get hypos is if the hypos are incompatible
Like I said I may be way off and would love to hear from people more familiar with the seperate hypos but this is my 2 cents
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That all sounds about right to me as well, but as the ol' sayin' goes,...."impossible to know without knowing"..LOL!.

I see LOTS of breeding trials in store, but that in itself I think will be fun and interesting too.

~Doug
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Thanks to everyone for your responses! I've been taking a lot of close looks at these babies in different lighting conditions and have determined roughly 2/3 to 3/4 to be anery a, the and the others to be anery b, so it does seem as though both parents are anery a het b. The ratio is about the same for amel, so again, both parents are het amel. I am going to wait another shed to make absolutely sure, but I'm pretty sure none of them are hypo, so as Draybar said, the parents must be incompatible hypos. I am quite shocked about this since they both look so much alike. Is there a hypo that would cause one to color up more than the other? I have noticed more yellows and pinks on the male than the female, and thought it was just an individual or gender difference. Now I'm wondering if it's a clue. There will indeed be many breeding trials in the future! Woohoo!
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Heheh, I'm using someone else's computer and forgot to log out of their account. That last posting is actually mine. Whoopsies!
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Ethans Den