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If I recall what I read here right, white sided brooks were an unexpected result of a hypomelanistic project. What would happen if you got axanthicism expressed in a white sided brooks? Has anyone done that?

No you have it backwards. The WS ("supposedly" came from Tim Ricks breeding a axanthic frokm Lloyd lemke to another one from a different line. Then (Tim said) the first WS came out.

And yes, axanthic brooks have been avaliable for several years. Here is a pic of one:

But I tell you what I think is cool. A hypo x WS. The adults I have are solid white Leuscistic looking snakes with black eyes.
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Ah. I'd figured it wouldn't do much if WS was an offshoot of a hypo project.
But now I think I'll try that combo

Taking on a project like breeding a Whitseided to a hypo is a very cool project. The double homozygot offspring (WS x Hypo) are born with a small amount of pattern on their backs. But soon they lighten and turn solid white.

To Steven just produced a whitesided GHST. That baby already has no pattern on the back and will turn whiter even sooner.

All Brooks /Floridana, go through what is called a Ontogenetic Lightening process"That is where they lighten with each shed. Whether they are dark brown or even BLACK babies. Some dark red and morphs lighten up as well. THEY ALL LIGHTEN WITH EACH SHED AS THEY GROW. After a while you develop and eye for picking which normals will be better .lighter adults. Same with all the new morphs just coming out. Some of these will be far better looking as they lighten into large adults.

Just another reason to like Florida kingsnakes!

Pewter baby and yearling 2008 Pewter:

Peanut Butter from 2008 and its sibling from this year 2009. I keep improing the look of the Peeanut butters each year. Some are outright georgeous.

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Does the Whiteside trait tend to also knock out the red pigment?
I would have expected to see some of the brightest orange hypos combined with WS by now. I would have expected the results to include a snake with just an orange stripe down the middle.
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It makes sense that the ws knocks out color (at least on the sides) but I have also seen it diminish the intensity of colors that are left on the dorsum, especially with the hypo trait added.
I wonder if it would make a big difference if you used a high yellow hypo vs. a high red hypo?
A yellow stripe could be appealing too.
Perhaps it's the black rat trying to creep back in...
ha!
:Mark
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Before I had a chance to work with any White Sided Hypo Brooksi I was really familiar with the Bulls... and in the Bull morphs White Sided affects everything and does seem to wash down the colors we'd assume would be there.
The thing with snake morphs in general is there doesn't seem to be many people who want to refine anything. It's make a morph and then use it to make more morphs... Zenny and I have said this for a long time. The ultimate Ghosts, Axanthics, Hypos, Lavs.,...all that stuff, for all we know we are missing out on the best of the best.
This year I hatched out a few White Sided Hypos and one is extremely light. It looked patternless when it was born. 2 others were on the dark side. Now what I thought was odd was one of the Hypo siblings is so dark it is almost brown? So what may happen if I bred that to a White Sided Hypo.... not sure but I'd like to think we can darken the color on these double homozygous morphs. Probably a pretty long term project though, and there won't be any guarantees. I'd still like to think it's possible.
Tom Stevens
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