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After taking a number of pictures of this guy I finally found a couple pics that truly show his real color...

Abbott line thayeri from Jim Minesinger.

He should make a great mate for my aberrant female (His sibling)...


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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

John,

He looks really nice. Those pics show him off much better than the original group did. They will make a nice pairing!

Craig
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God Bless Evolution.

>>John,
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>>He looks really nice. Those pics show him off much better than the original group did. They will make a nice pairing!

Thanks Craig....I can't wait till they produce....It's going to be a long wait....I forgot how tiny thayeri hatchlings were....LOL
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

John -- what a gem. Good luck with him (and his sister).
I'll admit that I have a "thing" for yellow leonis.

Below is a female I got from Jim Minesinger a few years ago. In the next post you can see how she has faded to a nice yellowish cream color, but as a hatchling she was a real stunner.

Tom

Here she is more recently. She has ZERO grey speckling, and appears to be somewhat hypomelanistic (her "black" is mixed with brown". I will try to breed her next spring with a nice orange reduced black Vivid male.

>>Here she is more recently. She has ZERO grey speckling, and appears to be somewhat hypomelanistic (her "black" is mixed with brown". I will try to breed her next spring with a nice orange reduced black Vivid male.
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I would extremely happy if mine grew up to look like that....
Very Nice Tom...
I like the term "somewhat Hypomelanistic"....LOL

I am getting a reduced black project again from Michelle....
I produced two females back in 2002 with almost no black at all...
I never considered them hypo just reduced pattern no reduced pigment....
Yours looks real nice...Thanks for sharing.

Regards,
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

John,
Yes, "somewhat hypomelanistic" is a weasely term, isn't it. I put it that way because some folks get exercised about claims of this trait or that trait. She does have some true black pigment, but a lot of it is definitely brown. So, if hypomelanistic is like "pregnant", I guess she's a little bit "pregnant". (Actually in other snakes with hypomelanism, I believe there are varying degrees of expression among individual animals (i.e., hypomelanism is not a strictly on/off condition). Whatever be the truth, I like the way the snake looks.
Tom

John,
Yes, "somewhat hypomelanistic" is a weasely term, isn't it. I put it that way because some folks get exercised about claims of this trait or that trait. She does have some true black pigment, but a lot of it is definitely brown. So, if hypomelanistic is like "pregnant", I guess she's a little bit "pregnant". (Actually in other snakes with hypomelanism, I believe there are varying degrees of expression among individual animals (i.e., hypomelanism is not a strictly on/off condition). Whatever be the truth, I like the way the snake looks.
Tom

Below is hatchling pic of another female yellow leonis I bought from Mike Bodner. She's a year old now and is fading to a straw yellow, which I bet will end up a yellowish cream.

Tom,
What would you call this one?

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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

John -- I'd DEFINITELY call them somewhat hypomelanistic. NO doubt about it. LOL!
That first one has nearly no black at all. Nice . . .

Below is a headshot of my somewhat hypomelanistic female as a hatchling. Definite melanin present in the bands!

Tom

>>John -- I'd DEFINITELY call them somewhat hypomelanistic. NO doubt about it. LOL!
>>That first one has nearly no black at all. Nice . . .
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>>Below is a headshot of my somewhat hypomelanistic female as a hatchling. Definite melanin present in the bands!

Tom,
Mitch Allen produced that No Black female back in 2005....
I was working toward such an animal from that pair of females I produced back in 2002 from a Lemke X Vivid pairing......
I thought I was working on something no one else was and in 2005 I saw that girl on Mitch's table I had to get her since I had been beat....LOL

Now Michelle Rogers is working with a pair of No Black Applegate Thayeri VERY similar to that Mitch Allen girl...maybe nicer...
I managed to get a pair from her this year.....
They have small amounts of black on their dorsum, but should produce some 'no black' offspring....
I still would not call them hypomelanistic.....just reduced pattern not pigment.....

Here's some pics Michelle sent me of the pair I am getting soon from her....


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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

Both of those are reduced black. The black pigment that is there is still a true black. If they were hypo, the black would be gray or brown.
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God Bless Evolution.

>>Both of those are reduced black. The black pigment that is there is still a true black. If they were hypo, the black would be gray or brown.

No one ever said they were hypo.....
And I surely know what hypo means....again....
I believe they are reduced black thayeri.....
Not reduced pigment just reduced pattern.....
Why do you keep telling me on two different forums that they are hypo?
I never said they were and never will.....
I produced some of these in 2002 before this subforum started and knew even then they weren't....
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

>>>>Both of those are reduced black. The black pigment that is there is still a true black. If they were hypo, the black would be gray or brown.
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>>No one ever said they were hypo.....
>>And I surely know what hypo means....again....
>>I believe they are reduced black thayeri.....
>>Not reduced pigment just reduced pattern.....
>>Why do you keep telling me on two different forums that they are not hypo?
>>I never said they were and never will.....
>>I produced some of these in 2002 before this subforum started and knew even then they weren't....
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>>John Lassiter
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>>"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

John,

I am not correcting you...you have stated they are not hypo. I am referring to the pics in an attempt to clarify for other readers since you asked the original question and are providing photos. I am saying those are examples of reduced black, not hypos...for those who may still be confuzzled.
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God Bless Evolution.

Okay....
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."