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I love getting up early on Sunday Mornin

boaphile Sep 06, 2009 03:30 PM

So I'm up at 6:45 AM on a Sunday morning checking to see if I had babies yet. My Double het for Pastel Sunglow female is actually due tomorrow. I go through each of the isles turning on the heaters manually as I like to do. All my remaining gravid girls are in the back isle now. First I check the most important one bred by the Key West Boa. She is fat and sassy taking it easy away from the heat. Then I check another and another... Next I check one of two that were all over their cages yesterday. She is up on the shelf in the Heat Conservation Position. Then the last one, and the one that I figured was going to deliver next. There she is up on the shelf in the "lock and load" position. Meaning she is all stretched out and kinked up a bit like she is ready to have them. I pull up a stool and watch. Well, we both watch. She is peering over the edge of the shelf and has moved her head toward me about 8" wondering why I won't mind my own business. She isn't doing anything. No contractions, but I know that position means the babies will be coming soon.

I go back upstairs, eat my daily portion of Shredded Wheat. The kind with the frosting. That unfrosted stuff is for horses, just like hay it is. Yuck! I eat my Shredded Wheat, make a quick pit stop in the rest room and head back down. It's about 7:15 now. I come around the corner and shine my little head lamp, which is in red light mode, onto the far left corner of the shelf. Nope. Still no babies, not a one. She has the Aspen all piled up at the front of the shelf. It was like that when I checked earlier, but this time I decided since she wasn't doing anything, I would pull off some of that Aspen out of the way, so I would have a fighting chance at getting some great photos and video of the immanent birth. As I pulled several handfuls of the piles Aspen down to the floor below, she turned to see what on earth I was doing messing with her little work of art. I quietly yet quickly closed the door and using that red light got a better look on the shelf and at her. Her tongue was flicking wildly now and I could see that she was still in that same position although looking a bit agitated at me with absolutely nothing out yet. So I retreated. Back upstairs.

I hop up on my tall chair at my desk and check the forums I frequent looking for valuable Boa news. After literally maybe 15 minutes, 17 max, I figured I'm going to see if she is thrashing that tail back and forth a bit yet. I am hoping to catch it this time, and get some great footage of the birth. Down the stairs I move, I walk with determination down to long main isle to the last isle where I take the left turn I have taken about 15 times in the last 24 hours. Again as I come around that corner with that cage on the last stack on the left second cage up and at waist height, I shine in my ever present red light. Oh no! There are a whole mess of babies off the shelf on the floor below and a ton of them on the shelf too! Oh no! I forgot my stinking glasses! I can see everything but it’s blurry! One of the benefits of aging eyes you know… Back upstairs to get the glasses and I make a quick post declaring that I missed the whole event which took less than 20 minutes total.

I was back in a flash and with camera in hand I watched as the last baby was being delivered near the left rear of the cage. Bummer. Well not entirely a bummer. There is a nice sized litter of beautiful babies! All gooey slimy babies soaking in goo with a single slug. I was actually very happy with the litter all in all. The father is a Pastel Sunglow and the mother is a Pastel Double Het. There were 33 babies total of which 11 are yellow. A low number for an Albino to Het breeding, but I'll take it.

Here is the scene with clearly visible babies on the left shelf, below and the Momma looking over the shelf on the right. You can see where I had cleared away the Aspen on the right side where the heater is a couple months ago so she could sit right on the heat.:

Here is a little closer shot at that left corner I kept coming around. You can see the Momma is still ringing all she is good for to evacuate all the products of conception:

Doesn't that all look absolutely yummy!?!?

FOr those who have not gotten a really good look at a slug. Here is the single slug from the litter up close and personal:

Here is a shot of one tub of some of the babies after I removed them:

A little shot of some of the Albinos and Sunglows in the litter:

A few more and mostly Double Hets. Those are some really choice Double Hets too! All the Hypos are possible Super Hypos too by the way as both Mom and Dad are Hypos.

Oh, and another shot:

I especially like a couple of the little guys:

Oh, and this one must be my favorite!

That's all for now! I'm going to check on the again for about the sixth time since I pulled these puppies!!! Can you blame me!?
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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

Replies (19)

sra Sep 06, 2009 04:08 PM

Is the only reason worth eating mini wheats
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TimS Sep 06, 2009 04:11 PM

Great pics and pile oh goo, loved the story line that came with it. I could literally picture the whole scenario as i was reading your post.

The tail on your pic of the litter is amazing oh my

dyagi Sep 06, 2009 04:17 PM

She must have had the babies right after we got off the phone. I bet those Sunglows have a lots of color as well as the siblings. Do you eat the Shredded Wheat to stay regular because of ole age lol?

boaphile Sep 06, 2009 04:21 PM

It's good for old colons Derek You better start eating it too since you are sooooo much older than I am.
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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

jscrick Sep 06, 2009 04:28 PM

Is there any Monstertail to those?
jsc
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"As hard as I've tried, just can't NOT do this"
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boaphile Sep 06, 2009 04:45 PM

The first Monster Tail litter of Monster Tail Hypos were fathered by an F1 Hypo born to the mother of all the original lines of the Panamanian descended Hypos. That Hypo's brother from the same litter is the Great Grand Father of these babies. I hope that isn't too confusing. Those old Hypo Boys were born in around 1992 before we even knew they were Hypos. So they are related but distantly. That is the extent of the relationship of the Pastel Albino bloodlines to the original Monster Tail female.
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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

Jonathan_Brady Sep 06, 2009 04:30 PM

lmao!

I actually like plain oatmeal. Not the instant stuff, the real stuff... plain. 2:20 seconds in the microwave. BUT, I can't get it down the hatch without some fruit mixed in!

I like blueberries, strawberries all sliced up, a sliced up peach, raisins, a banana, and occasionally I treat myself to a medley of all of the above!

Each bite has to have some fruit in it to overpower the blah taste of plain oatmeal. But the fiber in the oatmeal plus the fiber in the fruit is another great way to get things ... uhh... moving!

Those new "fiber one" bars are freaking fantastic too! Seriously, I'd eat them even if I wasn't trying to increase my fiber intake (high cholesterol - dang parents). Toss in one of those for a midmorning snack and you'll have zero problems keepin regular my friend

So uhh... as for boas, yeah... those are pretty nice. If you like blazin color and sweet patterns... WHICH I DO!!!! WOOHOO!! Congrats on the big healthy litter of beautiful babies Senor Ronne!

jb
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Jonathan Brady

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dyagi Sep 07, 2009 09:11 AM

Hey JB,
Sounds like you eat healthy for a youngin and it will pay off when you reach our age lol. When I eat oatmeal I mix it with peanutbutter and gotta have my coffee too.
Oh yeah back to boas, what pairs of BCC are you putting together this year?

Jonathan_Brady Sep 07, 2009 04:56 PM

Oatmeal and PEANUT BUTTER!! I gotta try that! I eat PB by the spoonful

As for this year, I've got 2 BCC pair that I'm going to try.
Pair 1 is:
Rose:

with Mr. Wildfire (owned by "lrdj" or Joel and Orlando Diaz)

He's a WC Guyana and his color is ROCKIN! I love his consistent CONTRASTY pattern and long tail too

Pair 2 is:
Mr. Incredible (sire to Rose's '08 litter)

to Lily:

I decided to pair them up because there were laddertails present in Rose's '08 litter. She had none in her '07 litter. Only the sire was different so I think he's the reason they popped up. Lily has a reverse stripe and I think laddertails and reverse stripes show up together (maybe reverse stripes are a double dose of laddertail, or extreme laddertail, etc..???). So I'm hoping to produce some fun stuff with them!

All of the animals above are either WC, or born in captivity to females captured gravid in the wild. That's MY KIND OF GENETICS right there F1's from wild blood!!!

What about you D? Anything fun out there on the west coast?

Missed you, Lee, and Bill in Daytona this year bro.

jb
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Jonathan Brady

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dyagi Sep 07, 2009 08:32 PM

I hope you have huge litters from both pairs. JB I have just a pair of adults that I'll this this season. I've cut down my collection and still working on it.

I can't believe Lee and Bill didn't go to Daytona. Do you keep in touch with them?

Jonathan_Brady Sep 07, 2009 09:01 PM

Well good luck with that pair!

As for Lee and Bill, I unfortunately lost contact with both of them except for catch up times in Daytona.

My funniest memory of the three of you was watching you come through the doors of the expo first thing in the morning not really looking... alive! lol You three always seemed to have a pretty good time!

jb
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Jonathan Brady

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jscrick Sep 07, 2009 09:39 AM

I eat Oat Granola Cereal in Yogurt. They sell it that way now, with the cup of dry cereal on top. Been doing that long before the yogurt manufactures marketed it that way. As usual, I'm out front... Has anyone seen the Hydrogen Peroxide bottles with the spray nozzle on top? They're new to the market. Been doing that for more than a dozen years, myself. I'm sure others here have as well. Use them on my Isopropyl Alcohol bottles too.
jsc
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"As hard as I've tried, just can't NOT do this"
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Morgans Boas Sep 06, 2009 04:28 PM

That's a great reason for getting up early . That last pic is a gorgeous looking DH . Congrats.
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LarM Sep 06, 2009 04:39 PM

That's some sweet stuff there Jeff !!

I think she was waiting for you to leave ,as soon as you
got up she started depositing babies !!

I think you'll have a few more chances still this late season
to capture some baby Boas being born.

Congrats on the nice healthy litter.

. . . Lar M
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tevie84 Sep 06, 2009 05:56 PM

Very Cool! I was just wondering...What do you do with all that goo left over from removing the babies? Do you just get paper towels and start cleaning it up? Also, when the babies are attached to yolk or still inside they're sack what do you do then? Thanks.

skyslinger Sep 06, 2009 09:37 PM

BUT. . . I get to start pairing in 5 weeks! lol
Really nice litter.
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TopNotchBoas Sep 07, 2009 09:58 PM

Those hypos in particular are mind-blowing. Can't wait to see those binos and sunglows after their shed. I see a really contrasty one I like.
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perfectpredators Sep 08, 2009 12:18 PM

From the Boaphile!! those are superb!

AbsoluteApril Sep 09, 2009 08:40 PM

the kid in me likes the stripey hypos

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