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FL- Only 10 percent of exotic pet owners

EricWI Sep 09, 2009 01:48 PM

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-burmese-pythons-problems-florida-090809,0,1146170.story

Note that there is a poll in this link. Please vote today!!

Poll: How to put bite into Florida's exotic-pet laws
Florida lawmakers are hoping to clamp down on owners of Burmese pythons and other exotic pets by putting some bite into the law and by limiting Internet sales. How do you think such pets should be regulated?

Enforce the current law -- too many owners are ignoring the regulations that are in place.
Limit sales over the Internet.
Increase the cost for a permit, which is now $100, to discourage ownership.
Ban all exotic species as pets. They are a danger to people and our environment -- and they probably don't want to live in somebody's house anyway.

Replies (27)

wstreps Sep 09, 2009 05:00 PM

Its a kangaroo court poll. The poll forces you to place a negative vote against private ownership. You ether have to give something up, pay more / discourage ownership
or support the idea that to many private owners are breaking the law. Its all negative.

The options read very much like they were written directly by an animal rights agendist. It appears the Orlando Sentinels past polling efforts have not gotten the results someone was looking for.

Ernie Eison
WESTWOOD ACRES REPTILE FARM INC.

EricWI Sep 09, 2009 05:18 PM

I recall the Orlando Sentinel holding another poll on HR 669 not long ago as well and falsified the results when they were not favorable to them.
It should be very clear by now that the Orlando Sentinel has a biased and corrupted agenda and will stop at nothing to achieve the results it desires.

Jaykis Sep 09, 2009 07:25 PM

It's kind of like the question "When did you stop beating your wife?"

laurarfl Sep 09, 2009 10:07 PM

The Orlando "Slantinel" has always had a biased reputation and leans heavily toward anti-exotic ownership. It is also liberal Democrat, so anything that follows that line politically is favored by the paper.

CSRAJim Sep 10, 2009 08:14 PM

Laura,

>>The Orlando "Slantinel" has always had a biased reputation and leans heavily toward anti-exotic ownership. It is also liberal Democrat, so anything that follows that line politically is favored by the paper.

This is not a surprise as the Orlando Sentinel is owned by the Tribune Company. The Tribune Company is an “employee-owned media company” that includes publishing and broadcasting business interests. According to their own website information, the Tribune Company lists its “leading daily newspapers” as the LA Times and the Chicago Tribune among others. Its broadcasting group operates 23 TV stations as well as the Chicago Cubs.

Some of the members of the Board of Directors are financially active with political campaign contributions (both individuals and committees). These campaign contributions are a typical who’s who of democrats and moderate republicans for political office. You can research this information for yourself by going to the Tribune’s website, go to the “Board of Directors” page and then type in the names at the FEC’s website (individual search)…You will have to do some background research though to verify the names over time…

Some of the beneficiaries include these campaign contributions include (less than $5,000 but maybe in multiples over many years): Richard Durbin, Russ Feingold, G. W. Bush, Charles Schumer, Jane Harman, Barack Obama, John McCain, Rudi Giuliani, Rahm Emanuel, John Kerry, Patrick Kennedy, Tom Lantos, Christopher Dodd, Richard Gephardt, Bill Nelson, Barbara Boxer, Charles Rangel, Max Baucus, Thomas Harkin, Harry Reid, Debbie Stabenow, Hillary Clinton, Claire McCaskill, Bill Richardson, and Al Gore. Any of these names familiar?

Some of their political action committee (PAC) contributions include (less than $5,000 but maybe in multiples over many years): Our Common Values PAC, Obama Victory Fund, Obama for America, National Association of Broadcasters Political Action Committee (NABPAC), New Leadership for America PAC, Barack for Illinois, Inc., and Leadership ’02 (FKA Friends of Albert Gore, Jr., Inc.).

The largest recipient of “contributions” (soft money) include: DNC Non-Federal Unincorporated Association Account ($100,000), DNC Non-Federal Individual ($95,000), Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee ($25,000), and the DNC Services Corporation/Democratic National Committee ($21,000).

A political “bias” regarding “exotic animals” from this “liberal newspaper” is not a shocker because as the saying goes, follow the money…

Later,
Jim.

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CSRAJim

Jaykis Sep 13, 2009 10:58 AM

Trust me.....being a liberal Democrat has very little to do with an exotic animal bias I'm a Democrat, socially liberal but fiscally conservative.

That means we'll say what you want to hear, but won't do anything about it, lol

CSRAJim Sep 14, 2009 10:56 AM

Jaykis,

>>Trust me.....being a liberal Democrat has very little to do with an exotic animal bias I'm a Democrat, socially liberal but fiscally conservative.

>>That means we'll say what you want to hear, but won't do anything about it, lol

Personally, I do not care what anyone does within the privacy of their own home and personal life as long as they keep it their private life and/or choice. Living life by the "Golden Rule" is a good thing IMO...

Unfortunately I respectfully disagree with both of your statements…Sorry. When HSUS, PAWS, PETA, etc, makes political campaign/committee contributions – both individual (hard money-restricted) and party (soft money-unrestricted) – which political party gets the OVERWHELMING amount of their “political” expression of free speech (money)? When these groups go to Capitol Hill to lobby, who do you think they meet with? Who do you think provides “technical” assistance in the drafting of “text” of these bills on Capitol Hill?

Just read what these “private groups” advocate in their information and then compare it to what the bills will do…They may not say what they are doing but, behind the scenes, they - both “private groups” and “D” politicians - are doing this stuff together…Make no mistake about this.

Later,
Jim.

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CSRAJim

Jaykis Sep 16, 2009 10:26 PM

Jim, were you refering to me? I was joking.

I've run into some of the people you've mentioned, and they're nuts.

I have issues with the far left, and the far right.

CSRAJim Sep 17, 2009 07:10 PM

Jaykis,

>>Jim, were you referring to me? I was joking.

Yes I was but that was before I knew you were joking…Sorry if I misunderstood.

>>I've run into some of the people you've mentioned, and they're nuts.

Yep, they are “wackos” but they have a method to their “madness”. When I earned my BS in Environmental Science more than two decades ago…I believed what I learned. After working in the “industry” for more than two decades, I have come to realize that what I learned from books (and PhD professors) was out-of-touch with reality. All of their “pie-in-the-sky” stuff has a cost to ALL of society that is an endless “blank check” to every taxpaying citizen! These costs not only include domestic expenses but, internationally as well (we pay this “fee” to the world in our taxes-Congress just doesn’t tell us about this). The cost of doing business in America is becoming more prohibitive as the years go by and ALL of us are paying for it. They are called “unfunded mandates” that include helping the third world (benefits from Congress to appease the international crowd). These imbedded expenses are bankrupting us and we can only expect them to increase for the next decade or so…

Their “madness” is in the form of the “politicization” of both the environmental and conservation issues and the USEPA, USFWS, USFS, USGS, Commerce, et al are VERY instrumental in ALL of this and have been since the 1970’s. To make matters worse, the private organizations (“dot-orgs”) are the tail that wags the government dog…While we were busy working (to pay the taxes that fund ALL of this stuff), these “do-gooders” have been using the tax code to become immensely wealthy. In return, they have become the governmental “approved” experts and scientists that are ALWAYS Johnny-on-the-spot to provide just the report or testimony to Congress (or the media) to continue the story line for MORE TAXPAYER MONEY!

Ever notice how the problems are NEVER solved? In fact, according to them (both Congress, media and the “dot-orgs”), it is often worse…Which requires even MORE TAXPAYER MONEY! I could go on but I’ll end it there except to say that the Man and the Biosphere (MAB) both domestically and internationally-UN) along with the World Heritage Program (WHP) are both very prevalent in what I’m talking about…The MAB program has been going on domestically since the late 1960’s and in 1971, Nixon and Brezhnev signed an agreement (SALT I) to agree to the creation of Biosphere Reserves in both of their respective countries…This was the formal beginning of the “official” involvement of the US government (the idea began ca. 1968 from academia).

Did you know that an “off-the-table” agreement as part of NAFTA (US and Mexico), created a 62.5 mile, “Transboundary” trade area between the two countries (in both countries=125 mile wide area from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific Ocean)…Do some research about this for yourself…The UN’s MAB Programme calls for the creation of “Transboundary” areas (i.e. end of national borders)…There’s another one of these between the US and Canada…

Everything that is going on regarding “invasive species” (a part of biodiversity conservation), global warming and sustainable development is directly related to both the MAB and the WHP… With each passing decade, more and more tax dollars have been used to fund this domestic (this was both a US and international idea) effort and for what purpose? Well, one benefit has been to enrich many “wackos” and if it continues, some of them stand to become some of the wealthiest people on the planet! And we the American taxpayer have been funding this effort with our taxes and in the cost (imbedded, unfunded mandates) in everything we buy.

>>I have issues with the far left, and the far right.

Me too but to further quantify this, my two main problems with this stuff is first, the “professionals” (whether they are politicians or from a “dot-org”) that are reaping huge amounts of money from the two parallel, propaganda movements – Environmental and Conservation. Both of these two issues are not what they were “sold” to us as…Rather they are only propaganda banners for more money. The second problem that I have is the tax code itself…Some of the wealthiest “foundations” in America reap immense benefits from a very favorable tax code that was written by Congress (lobbyists get paid a LOT of money for this service).

They are tax deductions for large corporations (government sanctioned “free money” that they did no work for-except lobby Congress) that they in turn invest in portfolios (the same ones that our retirement plans, etc are in). The “profits” (they are very greedy but the media doesn’t report this) is in turn given (via grants) to the “dot-orgs” (and sometimes to other foundations). In other words, the “dot-orgs” only have to write grant applications and VIOLA, they have operating expenses (payroll, benefits, buildings, education, out-reach, etc)…They do not have real jobs like we do…In addition to the tax code benefits, they also are eligible for taxpayer funded grants (another benefit of Congressional lobbyists)! Yep, as part of our taxes to the federal government, some of this money goes to the very “dot-orgs” that are implementing this “wacko” agenda!

If you are interested, spend about a month or so doing some research about The Nature Conservancy (TNC) and see for yourself what you come up with…Pay attention to the names of the Board of Directors (TNC) and compare those names with the some of the big names currently working as governmental employees…Then, read who they used to work for and compare those former employers with those who have recently received millions of taxpayer funded dollars in the form of “bailout” money…After you’re done, ask yourself, is any of this a coincidence?

Later,

Jim.

PS: Don’t forget to read the Senate’s (and IRS) investigation of TNC several years ago (the Senate Report is very large)…Keep in mind that the TNC is STILL a 501(c)(3), non-profit, tax-exempt “dot-org”…The TNC is one of the wealthiest “dot-orgs” but there are literally 1,000’s of them…Promoting the “wacko” agenda (from supporting “undocumented aliens” to “invasive species” to “biodiversity” to “climate change”) is ALL they do…Have fun.

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CSRAJim

jscrick Sep 11, 2009 05:09 PM

The Conservatives talk a good game, but they'll sell you out in a heartbeat, so don't lay all the blame on the Liberals. They are somewhat misguided do-gooders I'll admit. But the problem is with both Conservatives and Liberals, let's not forget that.

The laws in Texas were changed by Right Wing Secessionist Bible Thumping Governor Rick Perry's most ardent supporters and cronies, to the detriment of Texas Herps and Texas Herpers in the name of expediency. You mess with their efficiencies and your interests are toast.
jsc
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"As hard as I've tried, just can't NOT do this"
John Crickmer

EricWI Sep 11, 2009 11:05 AM

State Sen. Lee Constantine said there is a good law in place, requiring permits and registration, but studies show only 10 percent of exotic animal owners obey it."

What I want to know is, which studies are these that they are referring to?

EricWI Sep 11, 2009 11:15 AM

I forgot to add, what was the methodology used here?
I cannot seem to find a post edit feature on here.

laurarfl Sep 11, 2009 06:48 PM

>>State Sen. Lee Constantine said there is a good law in place, requiring permits and registration, but studies show only 10 percent of exotic animal owners obey it."
>>
>>What I want to know is, which studies are these that they are referring to?

I emailed his office. If/when he replies, I'll let you know.

Jaykis Sep 13, 2009 11:00 AM

Don't hold your breath.

HappyHillbilly Sep 13, 2009 10:06 PM

According to my research of State Sen. Lee Constantine, his record and his stance on the upcoming FWC issue doesn't add up. You should pay him a personal visit, Laura, as it appears that he needs some logical input given in person.

However, I realize that using the word "logical" in conjunction with a politician is oxymoronic.

HH
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laurarfl Sep 14, 2009 03:42 PM

Hm....I am VERY close to his office.

HappyHillbilly Sep 14, 2009 07:00 PM

"Hm....I am VERY close to his office."

I know....., and you're just the right person, too.
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Jaykis Sep 14, 2009 08:36 PM

Do I sense an upcoming trip to a foreign country with a discredited politician???

::giggle::

HappyHillbilly Sep 14, 2009 08:44 PM

Do you want to take her place instead?

Ha! Ha! Ha! Just pickin' at ya!

Later!
HH
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
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laurarfl Sep 15, 2009 06:56 AM

>>Do I sense an upcoming trip to a foreign country with a discredited politician???
>>
>>::giggle::

Ewwww!

Have you seen pictures of this man?

Jaykis Sep 16, 2009 10:23 PM

Sometimes you have to take one for the team...

Um...so to speak.

Jaykis Sep 23, 2009 10:20 PM

Interesting, if you vote now. See what happened.

I think someone has changed the results.

EricWI Sep 24, 2009 07:53 AM

Hmmmmm. Interesting. It looks like the "Orlando Slant-inel" as LauraFL puts it, has lived up to its name again.

Jaykis Sep 24, 2009 12:28 PM

Yep. About 400 negative votes in the last week.

EricWI Sep 29, 2009 03:15 PM

Keep voting. This one still needs to be turned around.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-florida-pythons-nonnative-species-092809,0,4594549.column?page=2

Jaykis Sep 30, 2009 11:07 AM

Nice of the author of the article to include his email address. I've already emailed him

laurarfl Oct 05, 2009 04:44 PM

>>Nice of the author of the article to include his email address. I've already emailed him

Mike Thomas will love your email. I know his job within the O Sentinel has changed, but he had a daily/weekly column that thrived on conflict and sarcasm. He would be the guy to snip a part of your email and then shred you when you couldn't defend yourself in order to make herpers look like idiots. He and his readers just eat that stuff up.

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