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Hypo-erythristic zonata comparison pic

JKruse Sep 11, 2009 07:21 AM

I took this on a spoof for someone and thought it came out kinda neat. Pictured is a 2 year old hypo-e zonata agalma against an adult zonata multicincta (almost everyone else is either coming into, fully in, or coming out of ecydisis). The contrast is pretty amazing I think. She will become pinker with time just like her mother pictured below.


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Jerry Kruse

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

Replies (15)

viper6 Sep 11, 2009 07:35 AM

Absolutely Amazing!!! When will baby's be available? Would love to work with those one day. Thanks for posting the Pic.

Best
John

JKruse Sep 11, 2009 09:17 PM

Again, I appreciate your commentary. Check your e-mail as well. Here are a few that hatched in 2008 and 2009...enjoy.....

2008 Hypo-erythristic "2nd best" male on the left, and het sibling on the right post-shed. Hypo-e agalma exhibit snow white bands as opposed to cream colored that will whiten with age...

2008 Hypo-e "2nd best" pair...(about 3 days post-hatch)...

2008 Hypo-erythristic...(circa Nov. '08)..."best of the clutch"... male taking first unscented pinky...

Same 2008 "best" male post hatch, about 3 days old...

And again at about 6 months of age, head shot....

And finally a photo of one of the four 2009 hypo-e hatchlings (I havent had much time behind the camera lately...) . . . hours old...

So some have been produced but in really limited numbers over the past 3 years. Hope you liked 'em...
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Jerry Kruse

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

Andrew Godambe Sep 11, 2009 09:07 AM

Great picture! Where did this mutation originate? I seem to remember something similar featured in a color price list years ago.

JKruse Sep 11, 2009 09:23 PM

so that I don't have to duplicate an answer, my reply below to Mark that will encompass the answer to your question. Thanks much....
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Jerry Kruse

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

Andrew Godambe Sep 12, 2009 10:48 AM

Thanks - maybe I can dig up the list sometime.

DMong Sep 11, 2009 09:44 AM

Jerry,...

I'm not sure I see the difference between the two!..........HAHAHA!

Seriously though, those are definitely special little snakes man!!!

later, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

joecop Sep 11, 2009 10:24 AM

Jerry, great photo to show the difference between "normal" and hypo-e. That little girl has a heart on her neck! Mine keeps getting lighter pink as time goes by. My daughter tells everyone we have some pink snakes!

JKruse Sep 11, 2009 09:28 PM

thanks for the kind words but like I said, they only come in limited numbers.........why make billions when you can make....."millions"....?


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Jerry Kruse

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

Jlassiter Sep 11, 2009 10:24 AM

That's awesome Jerry....
Send me a pair....LOL
I need to make another room for all the mountain kings I want now.....LOL
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

JKruse Sep 11, 2009 09:35 PM

.....in time to nab a couple o' these critters.......

St. Helena mountain kings L. z. z.


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Jerry Kruse

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

Patton Sep 13, 2009 06:09 PM

Just to give you a heads up Jerry. Then multistriata..and
Pulchra....and.......
-Phil
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Work is the curse of
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markg Sep 11, 2009 11:39 AM

Lol!

Jerry, I held in my hands the original hypo-e way back when.

Just curious, are there more than one founding hypo-e agalma, or are yours from what I thought was the one and only?
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Mark

JKruse Sep 11, 2009 10:35 PM

LOL, hey Mark. All-too-often lineage gets lost when it comes to captive breeding, and for numerous reasons. And then to trace back is always so difficult. Here is what i factually know. I learned of a small group of hypo-e agalma last year (which were never bred) that perished (also last year) with the exception of a single female. These animals suddenly died from what I was told, with no outward symptoms or no clear rationale. There is another single specimen that Terry Dunham had received years ago but was placed on loan with a fella whose name I don't recall at the moment. I inquired with Terry a couple years ago about that specimen, and heard little in return. I'm not even sure if that snake is still alive. Otherwise, I know of no other hypo-e agalma out there with the exception of mine and a pair I released this year to our friend joecop.

I wish I knew more about where, when, and who owned this specimen you speak of from years back. Mine originated from a pairing circa 1995 between a wild-caught anerythristic Martir agalma and a female Juarez agalma (due to the inavailability of female Martir specimens). These few heterozygous anerythristic babies were then dispersed...... very few remained, most perishing in various ways over the years (one female I know of actually had a pair of these specimens years ago and were predecessors from my line of agalma. She left them in her car, with other rare snakes, to grab a bite to eat somewhere in California. Upon returning to her car, all she found was an empty parking spot and an oil stain. Her car was found in Mexico weeks later and, of course, with no snakes inside).

The extremely few remaining specimens were bred to Juarez lines and, from what I understand, none of the original hetero babies were ever bred together as they belonged to different folks. A few of these remaining specimens turned a pinkish hue in short time, and in the next couple generations several more were produced after being introduced to new Juarez lines, but again, this was happening on a VERY small scale. Could these all be from the same origins stemming from the mid-90's? It's very likely, but I can't say for sure. Can this line produce an anerythristic agalma some day? It's likely but not guaranteed, however it's somewhere within their genetic make-up. So who knows -- over the next few generations the hypo-e factor could gradually deplete the production of erythrocytes rendering an anerythristic looking specimen as well. Either way, I could care less to be really honest. I like the look of hypo-erythrism, particularly how it enhances the white bands right off the bat. It's something certainly different. If a lavender snake pops out one day, well.........we'll cross that bridge if and when we get there.

Do share more of your story too Mark....thanks much......
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Jerry Kruse

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

markg Sep 14, 2009 12:58 PM

Yes, the Martir animal from the mid-90s, that is him. Hes a big fella. I saw him again maybe 3-4 years ago. Glad his genetics live on with your animals. He is quite stunning in person, even if he is pink

Small world we live in.
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Mark

eksnek Sep 12, 2009 10:32 AM

Wow. That has to be one of the best looking aglama i've ever seen! Top notch as usual.

Best,
-Kenny

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