Are they celaenops or annulata or intergrade? The $5 bill is for scale. The male is on the left, the female on the right. I am off to noose lizards for all my little pards (and some of my big pards too).
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Parents of 349 milks...
rpelaez
Sep 11, 2009 09:00 PM
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Joe Forks
Sep 11, 2009 10:11 PM
they lean toward annulata. Sometimes I wonder about you....
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swwit
Sep 11, 2009 11:51 PM
I would say the snake on the right looks annulata and the one and the left is confused. LOL
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Steve W.
antelope
Sep 12, 2009 11:22 AM
That's what I say, annulata on the right, left is ??? but the red cap is interesting, still, leaning towards annulata influence (a lot)
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Todd Hughes
antelope
Sep 12, 2009 11:28 AM
but qualified, I would be proud to have those in my collection if they were locality w.c.by myself. I like having a few natural intergrades as projects, not to mix and match, but to hold locality. They are what they are. I think as always the big thing here and in all the forums is to represent true to all prospective buyers. Hell, I'll never have much of a market for the annulata/amaura intergrades from down here, but since they are a relict island pop, they are what they are and will have no gene flow except for hurricane flotsam events. That is what makes this pop cool to me. in a true zone, genes flow whenever.
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Todd Hughes
Joe Forks
Sep 12, 2009 01:06 PM
>>They are what they are.
The problem is ours alone and not with the animals because we have to have a neat little label for everything and in most cases nature is serving up something that is not playing by our "rules".
There are way too many examples where are animals are pigeon holed to a name that is really not a true reflection of that animal and especially in reference to it's neighbors, common ancestors, or closest living relatives.
Damon's post was right on the money. What if the Holotype had come from Terrell county? Then what would we call the animals in Freer and again the animals in Brewster county, or New Mexico?
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