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A friend of mine hatched a clutch of honduran milk eggs about a month ago. And after a great deal of discussion between the both of us as we were trying predict what would hatch out of the eggs. We were totally surprised by the appearance of 2 Extreme Ghost Hondurans. It was a total surprise because both parents were sold to him as double hets for Ghost, and out of 10 eggs, he got 4 Tangerine hets, 4 Anery's het hypo, and 2 Extreme Ghosts. So, now we are both thinking that the parents are het for Extreme Hypo instead of het for regular hypo. Both have remained just as light colored as they appear in these pictures I took.

Extreme Ghost with some aberrant patterning

Extreme Ghost, normal patterning

And then he popped some really nice Anery's and Tangerine's as well. Several of these also had aberrant patterning.


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Finis Coronat Opus! - "The End Crowns The Work!"

I really wouldn't call those two ghosts extreme, although they are very nice; just not extreme. Another thing is the extreme gene isn't proven recessive, it's more of a line trait where you unpredictably produce them from that line. More breeding are still needed to figure it out.

Have the babies shed yet? I have noticed with my ghosts that they change a bit after they shed and aren't so light colored.
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Please don't talk about snake prices when my wife is around!!

Yes they have shed. And these aren't my Hondos, but my friends. I saw them after they shed and they remained light in appearance, and did not darken like actual Ghost Hondos I have seen. But I plan on taking pics of them again soon.
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Finis Coronat Opus! - "The End Crowns The Work!"

I would, first, solicit the opinions of Mike Falcon, Shannon Brown, Joe Exposito, Paul Weaver, and Don Shores. Over the years, these people have meticulously and carefully test bred and crafted the art of honduran genetic breeding and have successfully produced the few ghost extremes to date.

I myself have even produced a ghost (pictured below) from my male Falcon Hypo Extreme het anery mated with my Hanley female ghost...and that ghost hatchling produced is even a lot lighter with red eyes. What I am prepared to do is, before I finally call my a ghost extreme (or not), I will wait until she grows to be an adult honduran and see if her super ultra light bands would remain as ultra light bands AND if her red eyes would also remain to be ruby red eyes...just like her father hypo extreme pictured below.

It is so easy to get excited and call these guys extremes. Time will tell when they become full adults.

Hey Mike (Falcon), Shannon (Brown), Joe (Exposito), Don (Shores), and Paul (Weaver)...perhaps you guys can post some pics of your ghost extremes when they were hatchlings and pics of them as adults these days.

Thanks,

Ray
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RAY - "Laziness is nothing more than a habit of resting before getting tired!"

Yep, Ray nailed it man.I wouldn't comsider those two animals "extreme" ghosts at al.
I have produced many over the years that looked just like those and even better and still didn't quilify as "extreme" ghosts.

Its funny that you can look at a hundred hypos or ghosts and many will stick out in your mind as potential "extremes" and then you lay eyes on a real extreme and you say wow, what was I thinking.LOL.....

Here are a couple that I produced just last year that many people would consider "extreme" but I just ended up calling and selling them as "ultra light ghosts".

head shot.

now, this is a full blown "extreme" ghost.check out the dove grey color of the bands and the overall opaque look even when not in shed.

here he is at close to one year old.

They are real nice ghosts your friend has and I am not taking anything away from them but I just wouldn't call them "extreme",ghosts.

L8r Shannon

Yeah, as Shannon said, they are real nice ultra light ghost hatchlings. It would be interesting to see what they look like when they become adults.

Thanks Shannon for posting those pics.

Ray
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RAY - "Laziness is nothing more than a habit of resting before getting tired!"

Hey Ray,

Here is an adult and baby from this year.

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Thanks!

Joe Exposito
Thoroughbred Exotics, LLC
www.thoroughbredexotics.com

Yup. That's exactly what I meant when I said that the real test (whether in doubt or not) is to see how the hatchling turns out when it becomes an adult. That adult ghost extreme that Joe posted is definitely not the same as any normal ghost that we have been accustomed to be seeing all these years. Eventually, there will be a lot of ghost extremes around...but an adult ghost extreme is definitely different looking than a normal adult ghost (both its color and its retained ruby red eyes).

Thanks a lot Joe for the pic.
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RAY - "Laziness is nothing more than a habit of resting before getting tired!"