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This guy hatched out on 9-11 with 3 siblings.Not sure what this is for 100%. So I thought I would see if others have had ones that looked similiar and what combo they were.
The female is a pastel(poss. het red) who was bred to 4 differn't males: het.red axanthic, mojave, spider and pastel(poss.het. red axanthic)

That looks like a pastel Red Axanthic to me, maybe even a super pastel red axanthic. Excellent odds either way.

Beautiful snakes! What does het red axanthic mean?
Thanks.

het red axanthic just means the snake is a carrier for the recessive 'red axanthic' trait. Same as a het albino (normal looking snake which carries the albino gene.) Recessive traits need to have two genes inorder for it to physically appear like that trait. Pastels are co-dominant, though technically they are still 'hets' as two pastel genes will produce a different visually appearing snake than a 'het' pastel. Both are still very different from the normal wild appearance.

Hets of recessive traits will always look like normal wild type snakes.
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PHLdyPayne

Het. Red Axanthics are Co-Dom not Recessive.
The super form is a Red Axanthic.
The name Het. Red seems to confuse alot of people but they are Co-Dom and can be visually picked out next to a normal.

Harold said it perfectly.

Het mean heterozygous. So a pastel is the heterozygous form of the Super Pastel. Just like a lesser could be named het BEL.

Het Red Axanthic, have a black back. And the super form is the red axanthic.

Corey Woods have it clear on his website : http://www.coreywoods.com/het.shtml

But I just don't understand why say you have 2 pastel possible het ? You either know if it's one or not. I don't think many produced pastel het red and your pastel have either a black back or not. They can't be "possible". You might have been fooled when you bought them unless they come from Corey Woods or someone else who produced them (not many yet I think).

May be Corey Woods will come and clear it up for you. Otherwise you can try to get in touch with him (don't try email, he is bad with it )

btw : Here is a link to his Pastel Het Red from 2005
http://www.coreywoods.com/PhRA.shtml

But to me, it looks soo tiny that it could be a problem in the egg development. And not because it's a black back that it's a het red There is other black back that don't have a super form out there.
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love this world, don't hate it.

Looks like a Pastel Red Axanthic.
Congrats.

Red Axanthics are very under rated.
Very difficult to capture that purple
look of the hatchlings. If more breeders
put them on display at shows they would
be much more popular in my opinion.

They look awesome as hatchlings. I just wish they'd keep that color.

congrats it's def. a pastel het red!!! het red is a co-dom if your female pastel was pastel het red it would look like the one you produced. there is no such thing as possible het red axanthic because the colour will always come through in co-dominant, just like pastel there is no possible het for pastel it either is or is not. but beautiful snake!!!

Elysia

Currant Reptile Collection:

Ball Pythons:
0.1 Mojave "Secret"
1.0 Pastel Het Red Axanthic "Panther"
1.0 Pastel 05 "Jackson Pollock"
1.0 Pastel 08 "Helder" R.I.P
0.1 Pastel 08 "Shy"
0.1 Spider 08 "Charlotte"
0.1 Normal 06 "Coca"
1.0 Normal 08 "Mojo"
0.1 Normal 08 "Modusa"
1.0 100% Het Albino 08 "Skull"
0.1 Albino 08 "Dynasty"
0.1 100% Het Orange Ghost 08 "Clamentine"
1.0 Lesser 100% Het Orange Ghost 08 "B-Town"

Tiger Salamander "Stewy"

1.0 Veiled Chameleon 07 "Bounty"
0.1 Veiled Chameleon 07 "Aura"

Thank you all for your help. I wasn't sure the het.red would have that much effect on the color. But I guess it's kind of like the way the cinnamon and pastel turn to pewters when both hit. Thanks Again. does anyone happen to have a picture of what the pastel het.reds look like as adults?
Thanks, Mike

I posted a link in my other post.

But here is it again : http://www.coreywoods.com/PhRA.shtml

But I think you should be careful on saying it's a pastel het red. Not that I am saying it's not (after all you put a pastel with a het red), but until you are sure be patient.

I would also like to know why you think you have a pastel possible het red ? I don't actually understand this.
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love this world, don't hate it.

Actually I bought them as regular pastels from a breeder who does alot of het red combos, and I wasn't sure just how much it influenced the pastel line. But my pastel has mostly a black back that is heavily blushed, so as I had said I did not know if the expression of the het. red would be minimal or very noticable. The het. red male is not real impressive in itself it does have the black back and is blushed in a line down the back and has a clear belly. But other than that nothing special.

As for the size it was a twin to an undeveloped sibling in the same egg. He weighs in at 25 grams. So thats why his size is so small.
Hope that helps,
Mike

He looks smaller than the others in the picture.

It does look similar to a pastel het red -- probably is -- but the snake itself looks a little on the yellow side -- plus it looks quite a bit smaller than the clutch mates that it could just be an underdeveloped pastel. IDK -- wait until it sheds and see if the color changes any -- may give you a better idea of what's going on with it.

Good luck!
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Tosha
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Ya,we should now more after it sheds and eats a few times.
Mike

Pastel het red....Looks good...