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relaxing after a meal.....

DMong Sep 13, 2009 02:15 PM

Thought I would snap a few pics while I was feeding them today. Hard to believe how fast these guys are growing. These are known to be somewhat slower growers than a few other ssp., but these don't seem to have heard that information yet..LOL! These are the two featured in Brian Hubbs' very well-done getula book as tiny hatchlings. The abberant female used to be the tiny runt of the trio, and now she is the monster of the three.

~Doug


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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

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tgcorley Sep 13, 2009 06:22 PM

Hi Doug -- hungry monsters they are! are those stiticeps?

Tom

DMong Sep 13, 2009 07:21 PM

Yep!,..they are indeed good ol' "sticticeps"!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

viborero Sep 14, 2009 08:27 AM

They are beautiful, Doug! Can you tell me a little more about them? I am not familiar with those at all.
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Diego

SWCHR

DMong Sep 14, 2009 12:25 PM

Sure Diego, and thanks for the compliment!.

These are known as Outer Banks kings(L.g.sticticeps)which are only derived from the Outer Banks islands and a few other immediate areas or Ocracoke, and Cape Hatteras Island, etc.. in Dare County, North Carolina. These have since been classified, then later un-classified as a uniguely seperate subspecies, and have been very problematic since their very first description over sixty years ago(Barbour and Engels).

It has been argued that these are possibly a natural intergrade of Eastern(L.g.g.) x floridana that could have occured LONG ago with environmental changes from a past "ice-age" when floridana's range was quite different than today(several hundred miles).

And on the other hand, they could also be nothing more than a very isolated variant of Eastern King(getula). Either way this is looked at, the bottom line is that they are EXTREMELY unique looking, and breeders of these have always strived to keep these "sticticeps" bloodlines true to form without other genetic involvement from other subspecies.

These are said to be the rarest natural form of getula, and command a very high price in the hobby as well. These are also mentioned in great detail with an entire chapter devoted to The Outer Banks Kingsnakes.

This form isn't even mentioned in many kingsnake books, as it isn't "technically" catagorized as a seperate full subspecies, and if it IS mentioned in some books, it is nothing more than a brief sentence or two, at the most one small paragraph.

In any case, what cannot be argued is that these guy's are VERY unique looking, and come from a very tiny natural population in the wild and have been protected for many years, and rightfully so in my opinion.

By the way, in Brian's book, these two individuals were said to have been produced by me in the caption, which is NOT the case at all. These were acquired from my friend Howie Sherman. Brian just assumed since they were tiny hatchlings, that I must have produced them.

To briefly sum this interesting form of kingsnake up, they are just plain cool!

~Doug

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

viborero Sep 14, 2009 03:20 PM

Thanks for the info, Doug. Very interesting snakes indeed. I'm not a huge fan of eastern getula, but I might have to make an exception for those!!
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Diego

SWCHR

DMong Sep 14, 2009 04:49 PM

You're very welcome, buddy!

I sort of feel the same way in many respects. I certainly can appreciate Easterns, especially certain forms, as I do many other types of snake too, but for decades I have always been very intrigued by the Outer Banks King due to their extreme uniqueness. Even as a young kid I found them to be very interesting from reading many snake books that I had that showed a few photos and spoke about them briefly.

I don't really know why it took me so darn long to actually acquire some though, but I couldn't be happier that I finally did.

If I really HAD to, I would give up many other types of snakes in my collection before I would part with these special guys!

here's a pic of a classic female as a hatchling before it has developed more of the trademark ontogenic speckling.

same snake exactly 12 months later!

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

thomas davis Sep 14, 2009 11:23 AM

true gems there doug. i can honestly say those are some of the NICEST i have ever seen.,,,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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DMong Sep 14, 2009 12:29 PM

Thanks alot Thomas!,...glad you like them too.

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

adamjeffery Sep 14, 2009 08:59 PM

dam ndoug those little bastards got big!!!!
they are looking great.
adam jeffery
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" a.k.a. farfrumugen "
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.

DMong Sep 14, 2009 09:19 PM

Thanks, bro!..

Sure did get big fast!, Howie flipped his lid too when I showed him some pics....like loading up garbage cans conveyor belt style..LOL!. They are just like feeding Pyranha!..LOL!

I have to put their enclosures on the ground because they go exploding out onto the ground and chase me down for a meal, I am not kidding either, they are insane!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

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