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..........for a few of the very adamant expert clan I see here,....Nelson's and Sinaloan's are from Mexico, not Central America!..LOL!

If they don't even understand that, how could they possibly be an "expert" on them, or any other types of milksnake for that matter in the first place???, that's what I can't quite figure out here.

here's a cool looking Sinaloan right?, it's just a little funny looking is all, with the 18 short little red rings, incomplete black neck ring notch under the throat, super wide black rings that arch far over dorsally, big light snout, black suffused tail, etc...right?. But it only looks funny like that because a few expert's didn't get their hands on his parent's, and make him into something else that's commonly seen in the hobby today..LOL!

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Just for comparisons sake.....

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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

Natural Selection Reptiles

Yeah Vinny,....those are like comparing a Chevy caprice to a Corvette!

For some funny reason, they just aren't quite the same thing.

Great lookin' animal's!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

gotta love the splitters oh yeah those comparison shots WOW yeah definately enough differances there to warrant seperate ssp. classification ROFLMAO thanks vinny,,,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

Dude, you need to not be so paranoid. Your not even qualified to designate a species so relax, do you want to diagnose my cough too? I was just posting comparisons pics. Dogs and wolves don't look so different either.

Seriously your opionion wasn't in question it was just a damn comparison.
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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

Natural Selection Reptiles

Seriously your opionion wasn't in question it was just a damn comparison.
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thanks vinny and i apprecieate the comparison photos and believe it cements my opinion about them being the same snake. definately not enough differance in looks from those photos in my opinion to warrant valid ssp status. its one mans opinion vinny why try to demean and discredit me? why so upset??? howsa bout range and habitat oh wait they nelsoni and sinaloae ranges overlap huh? hmmmmmm...
im glad you disagree with me vinny it takes ALL kinds and i accept and embrace that fact, no hard feelings.
,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

It's annoying Thomas becuase if you remember or reread my post I never question that you consider them the same species. Lumping and splitting has nothing to do with it. It's purely semantics, Darwin called subspecies varities/races/types whatever you want to call them there are phenotypic differences between them And if there are heritable phenotypic differences that means there is a genotypic difference between populations and that's all "subspecies" designation means.
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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

Natural Selection Reptiles

I forgot your range "argument". That the ranges overlap is irrelevant, it's called sympatry. The range of Homo sapiens overlaps with the ranges of all terrestrial species. So are we the same species as chimps, orange, wolves, elephants and pixie frogs? Becuase you designation from range argument implies we are.
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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

Natural Selection Reptiles

Stop being such a splitter.

North America...Central America...South America. It's all just America, and they are all just triangulum. I just can't understand why we need to differentiate anything?

(Yes that is sarcasm)
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Joe

Sort of like that sweet little fellow you captured there in your own yard by the pond. Is that the same thing as a taylori?, or an amaura?, or a syspila?.........the answer to that is a very simple...no!, and for a huge number of great little reason's too.

Should any of this be so tough for some to understand?,...well, not really, but hey, that's just another silly opinion of mine..LOL!

later man!, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

..........for a few of the very adamant expert clan I see here,....Nelson's and Sinaloan's are from Mexico, not Central America!..LOL!

yeah jazmaniandevil is i think kinda new, let her learn.
btw nice nelsons/sinaloan type milksnake there buddy
what did ya think of the hondo article i posted? i really thought of all the posters you would enjoy it, though im sure you have or have read it before.
,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

such the non dancer, I'll explain it to you. The article you posted ha only said the same things you have been reading here. Aawww now I see the problem, no pictures explaining it too you like in the magazine article. Sorry that is all of our mistakes.

I can't make it to the show in oct but I am doing my best to be at the one in Arlington. There is going to be a bunch of cool hognose guys at that one.
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Please don't talk about snake prices when my wife is around!!

>>>such the non dancer, I'll explain it to you. The article you posted ha only said the same things you have been reading here. Aawww now I see the problem, no pictures explaining it too you like in the magazine article. Sorry that is all of our mistakes.

I can't make it to the show in oct but I am doing my best to be at the one in Arlington. There is going to be a bunch of cool hognose guys at that one.

>OH boy cool hognose guys! i bet you can hardly wait!!!im happy for you! but jumping up and down does NOT qualify as dancing and listen just because you CANT dance or talk about snake prices when your wife is around and you CANT seem to explain anything at all ever about anything... dont be mad at me!!!
and who exactly is "our mistakes" in your above drivel reffering to? your speaking for who exactly??? i dont need pictures to explain anything??? mistakes? see you makey absolutely no sense to me?
i might make that arlington show but im not really interested in hognose.,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

I figured that's what you would say. Ttyl sweetie!

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Please don't talk about snake prices when my wife is around!!

Yes, I remember all that cool stuff. I don't think there's much in the way of triangulum literature or personal milk stories around that I'm not aware of.

later, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

That is a nice example there my little Asian friend, you are so so dancing!!!
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Please don't talk about snake prices when my wife is around!!

Yeah,.....this guy seems really happy after discovering some of the differences too..LOL!

~Doug

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Yeah,...this guy seems pretty happy after finally discovering some of the differences too!.

~Doug

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

hmmm?, don't know how that happened??,....oh well!, I guess they're BOTH happy..LOL!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

I as just thining maybe you liked that guy a little too much ???

.....it is an odd shot........

please delete it now....HA!!!LOL

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........JY
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LOL!!,...no, just some ridiculous humor I threw into this thing!..LOL!

I'm not Asian either..LOL! but some of this stuff had me laughing my head off!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

good one

so was there a point?
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“Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind.” Emmerson

At the end of the day, sometimes yes,..sometimes no Tony.

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

LMAF!
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“Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind.” Emmerson