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Being In Europe, Especially Scotland, I am very limited to what I can get over here, So I apologise in advance if it's nothing to special for you guys. I'm building up slowly, but I'm purely Triangulum.

Hondurensis

Arcifera (Not True)

Campbelli

Sinaloae

Stuarti

Triangulum

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Scott

I didn't get all of the photos to show but those are some nice snakes you have there. The one labeled triangulum at the end looks like it had some ratsnake mixed in it. Do you have any other info on it?
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Please don't talk about snake prices when my wife is around!!

No I don't mate, Just bought privately.

Your geuss is as good as mine. I bleeding hate Hybrids too, Thats a shame. Defernetly not looking pure. Easterns are pretty rare over here if im honest.

Scott

To be honest, it looks pretty genuine to me if you figure it's a simple bizarre pattern abberancy. The head shape, iris color, body color, double nape stripes, and ventrolateral spotting look pretty reasonable. But anything's possible nowadays..LOL!

I like the way you put "not true", in your arcifera caption..LOL!. That proves to me that you DO know more than some folks!..hahaha!(ruthveni)...good touch!

REALLY nice stuarti example too!

best regards, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

My first take on that abbarrant Eastern was that it looked more like a Situla(Leopard rat from Croatia area). Being in Europe it wouldnt surprise me. Let me assure you of something, easterns are not commonly kept and I have heard of only 2 subspecific cross breedings and those were years ago. Just check the anal plate for ID. If you got them both from the same guy there is a good chance you got lucky. Good on you!

Jeff,...there certainly are some aberrant lines of situla, and they can be pretty weirdly patterned sometimes, I agree, but I don't even see a hint of situla in that one's head shape or head pattern. The body, okay, maybe there, but all the Croatian ssp. I've ever seen still have that distinct Leopard rat head.

~Doug

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Scott,

Very nice collection you've got there! Those are great looking triangulum. Your photos are nice as well. That campbelli looked especially nice to me.

Do you have any info on that L. t. triangulum? The first one pictured looks very unusual to me, not like any I have seen before.

Dave
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Welcome to the forums!
Check out the snappy eastern guys!
Looks like Mr Campbelli has never refused a meal....all great looking snakers and I'm happy to see a correctly identified stuarti.
Really different little eastern milk you've got...
Jeff

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Nice collection Scott...and pictures came out very well. I'm pretty much a honduran guy but I have to say that the coloring and cleanliness of your Cambelli came out really striking to say the least.

Great stuff!

Ray
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I like the eyes on the second Vanishing Hypo.Any chance you know what the parents were??

To be honest, it looks pretty genuine to me if you figure it's a simple bizarre pattern abberancy. The head shape, iris color, body color, double nape stripes, and ventrolateral spotting look pretty reasonable. But anything's possible nowadays..LOL!

I like the way you put "not true", in your arcifera caption..LOL!. That proves to me that you DO know more than some folks!..hahaha!(ruthveni)...good touch!

REALLY nice stuarti example too!

best regards, ~Doug

Thanks Doug. I think the Triangulum ID'ing is going to be an ongoing task, I can get Ventral counts, scales of the head done etc. However, It will be a bloody pain. Being in Europe, I don't see many of them, So I jumped at them of course. The female is alot more less abberant patterned. I have no idea of their background, But i got the pair from the same place as my female Stuarts, and thats genuine to say the least!

My first take on that abbarrant Eastern was that it looked more like a Situla(Leopard rat from Croatia area). Being in Europe it wouldnt surprise me. Let me assure you of something, easterns are not commonly kept and I have heard of only 2 subspecific cross breedings and those were years ago. Just check the anal plate for ID. If you got them both from the same guy there is a good chance you got lucky. Good on you!

Hi Jeff, Any input shines some light, so I'm very greatful. I've never seen Situla before, So I have no idea. I will have a gander once replying to all the comments. Interms of acquiring them, I bought them from the same breeder, who I also got the female Stuarti from. I'll get a ID of the Anal Plate, What am I looking for? One Scale?

Jeff,...there certainly are some aberrant lines of situla, and they can be pretty weirdly patterned sometimes, I agree, but I don't even see a hint of situla in that one's head shape or head pattern. The body, okay, maybe there, but all the Croatian ssp. I've ever seen still have that distinct Leopard rat head.

Conflicting Information, If only it was so easy to say they were Triangulum or not. I Appreciate all your input guys, Really I do.

Scott,

Very nice collection you've got there! Those are great looking triangulum. Your photos are nice as well. That campbelli looked especially nice to me.

Do you have any info on that L. t. triangulum? The first one pictured looks very unusual to me, not like any I have seen before.

Dave

Thanks Dave. The Campbelli is strangely clean, The red is so rich. Interms of the Triangulum, Again, I know, know more then you guys. I can try and get the breeder, however it was through a shop, So I doubt they'd like to give out breeders information, As I work in a Reptile store myself. We'll see.

P.s. Could do with a pair of Cosalas

Welcome to the forums!
Check out the snappy eastern guys!
Looks like Mr Campbelli has never refused a meal....all great looking snakers and I'm happy to see a correctly identified stuarti.
Really different little eastern milk you've got...
Jeff

Thanks Jeff. Yeah, *Mrs* Campeblli is a cracker. I have a nice Apricot/Poss Oreo lined up for her. The Stuarti are possibly my favourite subspecies to keep.

Nice collection Scott...and pictures came out very well. I'm pretty much a honduran guy but I have to say that the coloring and cleanliness of your Cambelli came out really striking to say the least.

Great stuff!

Ray

Thanks Ray. I'm really happy with the pictures too, It's not an expensive camera nor any lens's etc. Just a Simple Fujifilm FinePix S5700.

Kind Regards,
Scott

I love Easterns, that was the first constrictor I caught behind my house growing up under logs, it probably was eating the red backed salamanders which were so plentiful, both black and red phases. I also caught adults in the winter 10 years ago in the basement of a barn near the furnace. Looks like that one is going to be very nice when it grows up.
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>>Being In Europe, Especially Scotland, I am very limited to what I can get over here, So I apologise in advance if it's nothing to special for you guys.

Scott,

Trust me, there are plenty of us in the US who would be very pleased to have those animals in our collections. You've got a great group of animals there.

--terry

About that abberrant Eastern Milk

I think that aberrant Eastern milk might actually be a pure Eastern. Is the other normal looking one a sibling? where did they come from? The abberrant one is unusual, but not out of the range of possibility for Eastern Milks.

Scott,
Very nice collection you have going there for sure.
I am not sure on the eastern milk as it could just be an aberrant indv..But I would have to say that I am pretty sure there is some nelsoni ( and prety strong) running through that campbelli. It has a very High band count ( I would like to see a pic of it from the top strecthed out) and the bands are very close together and they even "widow" out at the top and thats just not normal for a campbelli.
At anyrate you have some very nice snakes there.

L8r Shannon

When I just jump one hurdle (Triangulum), I come to an other. I'll see what I can do regarding stretched out photo. I dont have a camera on me now, But I'll get back on here ASAP.

Scott

>> "When I just jump one hurdle (Triangulum), I come to an other"

Yeah, I know what ya mean..LOL! To be honest though, I(and a few other's) also saw the same characteristic(s) that Shannon mentioned. It seems far too clean in the white, as well as the black rings that arch far outward dorsally to be 100% campbelli. That just isn't a characteristic of campbelli, but it certainly IS a definite trait of nelsoni, at least in "genuine" examples that is.

We only bring this to your attention so that you are aware of it, certainly not to discredit any of your nice collection. Over the many years of working with these types, some of us here can easily pick up on these subtle differences that set many milks apart from one another. Sometimes they can be tough to discern.

take care!, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Thanks Doug,

I fully understand, I would rather you tell me then me breed from her not knowing. I like to keep it pure, As I'm sure a hell of alot of you do too.

I really do respect the passion you have for these animals, As I do myself. Thanks again for your sound information.

Kind Regards,
Scott

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Nice collection!

I especially like the sinaloan and of course the triangulum. To me the head of the first eastern looks pure triangulum, but I've never seen a pattern anything like it. Sure would look cool in a morph.
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Joe