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West. Fox or East. Fox?

oid Sep 17, 2003 12:27 AM

How can one tell Western Foxsnakes from Easterns? Thanks!

Replies (3)

Terry Cox Sep 17, 2003 04:45 AM

You can count the number of body blotches or count the number of ventral scales and subcaudal scales. Otherwise, you just have to know where it comes from. That's why I think they're almost impossible to tell apart and should still be considered the same species.

>>How can one tell Western Foxsnakes from Easterns? Thanks!

herpin1579 Sep 18, 2003 12:55 PM

The range of each species is quite distinc. From what I know, easterns are only found in Michigan and along Lake Erie. But westerns are quite widespread. Terry knows lots about easterns in the field and I know much about westerns here in Illinois. Here is a pic of my wild collected female, I think. It may be my male. Anyways, my female dropped a clutch of 11 last month and the all hatched this weekend. Very nice snakes. Their color gets better as they grow.

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I have:
1.1 Kankakee Bulls
1.0 veild chameleon
1.1 corns
0.1 az king
1.2. tiger sals
0.1.11 fox snakes
0.1.10 thamnophis radix
0.1 3-toe box turtle
0.0.1 gray tree frogs
1.1 Crotaphytus collaris
1.1 Crotaphytus binctores

Terry Cox Sep 19, 2003 04:48 AM

Also, I would mention that they can be extremely variable. The fox snakes in the Upper Peninsula of MI can have red heads, or not, as well as the Easterns near L. Erie. They can be colorful or dull. That's why they're hard to tell apart.

The only luck I've had recently was with two massasaugas the first week of September. Other than that, all I've seen were Eastern garters, browns, and red-bellies.

TC

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