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I know Jeremy produced one back in 2007, has anyone else produced any? Is Jeremy's alive and well? I think the morph is awesome and would love to produce some myself, is their project worth getting into? _JEff

Haven't seen any updated pix in a while and that would lead to speculatiion! If you want a pure yellow albino as an adult just find the ugliest Kahl Albino you can find and you will have it..Way less expensive way to produce an almost colorless boa...

Al Brown/Brown's Boas

Yeah I haven't heard anything either, I think the super forms of both motley and jungle are infertile thus bring once desired projects to a hault. I think it's funny how these "big breeders" won't let out any information to the public but they still want to charge high dollar for these morphs.

Yeah, I think the days of high dollar snakes is over unless something extremely rare comes along. I mean, motleys for $400!

I think th Motley price reflects a similar path the Salmon Boas took.
They were very expensive several years ago,as there numbers
increase of course their market value decreases.
So the Motley hasd taken the same path.

This doesn't mean other rare boa morph types will be less expensive.

Marron Boas , Aztec boas will be higher priced right now,because
they are still very rare

As are the recessive trait boas like VPI Caramels ,
B.W. Caramels, Russian T Blondes , Prodigy Boas etc..

All still highly valuable higher priced Boas.

The fact that the economy is not doing well is affecting Boa sales.
This doesn't mean the rare Boa Morphs are worth less really.

It just means fewer people have the means or are willing to take
the risk to buy the more expensive animals.

As the economy picks up so will Boa sales.

Agreed , expensive may now be $10,000 instead of $15,000
who knows

The expensive rare Boa Morphs will always exist "IMO".

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz
Boas By Klevitz

>>I think th Motley price reflects a similar path the Salmon Boas took.
>>They were very expensive several years ago,as there numbers
>> increase of course their market value decreases.
>>So the Motley hasd taken the same path.
>>
>>This doesn't mean other rare boa morph types will be less expensive.
>>
>>Marron Boas , Aztec boas will be higher priced right now,because
>> they are still very rare
>>
>>As are the recessive trait boas like VPI Caramels ,
>>B.W. Caramels, Russian T Blondes , Prodigy Boas etc..
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>>All still highly valuable higher priced Boas.
>>
>>The fact that the economy is not doing well is affecting Boa sales.
>>This doesn't mean the rare Boa Morphs are worth less really.
>>
>>It just means fewer people have the means or are willing to take
>> the risk to buy the more expensive animals.
>>
>>As the economy picks up so will Boa sales.
>>
>>Agreed , expensive may now be $10,000 instead of $15,000
>>who knows
>>
>>The expensive rare Boa Morphs will always exist "IMO".
>>
>>
>>
>> . . . Lar M
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>>Boas By Klevitz
>>Boas By Klevitz
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Jeremy posted updated pics of the albino super motley several months back. He did it on his blog on his own website, I just searched for it to post the link, but his website is completely redone and it has been deleted.

The updated pics made the snake look REALLY cool. Its not a yellowish patternless albino, it stayed very clean white. Like a piece of computer paper, comparible to the white on the piebald ball python maybe. BLEACH white. Very cool looking snake. At the time of the pics, which he posted, maybe 6-10 months ago, i believe the snake was 18 months old. Looked healthy and big enough to breed. Not sure if he did or not. I can only speak for the updated pics of the animal at 18 months rather than just the baby pics, which seem to be the only pics i can find of it right now. As an 18 month old male, it looked damn good to me. Ill try to get ahold of jeremy and see if we can't get those pics posted somewhere

Please do and update us on this.. Iwould love to see his 2 year old albino super mot.. I know of a few others who produced them but they ended up dieing after birth.

I will be breeding an coral Albino Motley female to a Hypo Motley 100% het lipstick this season.
So I should produce an albino super motley from the coral X lipstick line. And it may even be a Sunglow Super mot, aka the 'white devil'..
I still have to get the female up to size so I cant begin this breeding till late Dec

I can't say I speak from experience on this, but other breeders who have tried to produce "red devils" have failed. Reason being because for some reason, the hypo gene and the motley gene will not travel together into the offspring. They seperate.

Which means if you bred a hypo motley x normal, you would get normals, hypos, and motleys, NO hypo motleys....

In order to hit the red devil, or the white devil as you are hoping for, which I would LOVE to see, you would have to breed hypo motley het x hypo motley het.

Again I could be wrong, and honestly I hope I am, but other breeders trials have kinda pointed us to believe this theory for right now. I would definately do that pairing though, sounds awesome!

Hypo from one parent motley from the other. Since the hypo and motley gene are on the same allele JUST LIKE ALL PARENTS they can ONLY give ONE gene of the two from that allele to their offspring.
The albino motley can give the motley gene AND the albino gene while the other can only give the albino gene and EITHER the motley gene OR the hypo gene so while he could get an albino super motley or a sunglow motley he could NOT get a sunglow super motley because the one parent has to EITHER give the motley gene OR the hypo gene NOT BOTH.
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Ty Hege
Rat Race Solutions
www.ratracesolutions.com

I hope to prove you wrong pal! I will like to produce a whitedevil. And once I do, I will make postcards...

and from what I hear it is, then any of us who have Hypo Motleys het albinos or Sunglow motleys who were going to breed them to albinos, CANNOT make Sunglow motleys correct?
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honesty is my only policy

in order to make sunglow motleys, you would have to have the hypo gene from one parent, and the motley gene from the other, while both carry the albino gene. So a number of combos will produce sunglow mots... Unfortunately hypo motley het albino x albino is NOT one of them.... It will make sunglows and albino motleys, but no sunglow motleys.

A little bit of everything having to do with motleys.... you should be looking at

Albino Super motleys
Sunglow Motleys
Albino Motleys

Super Motleys het albino
Hypo Motleys het albino
Motleys het albino

and maybe even a few normals, lol

But unfortunately, unless the gene world throws a curveball at us, which has happened plenty of times before, but you shouldn't see any red devils or white devils.

albino super motleys and "white devils"? Is that supposed to indicate that somehow the animal is carrying it but it just isn't being displayed due to the "confusion" about the motley/hypos on one allele theory? Thanks!
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Ty Hege
Rat Race Solutions
www.ratracesolutions.com

that white devil refers to sunglow super motley. The red devil is the hypo super motley, which came out solid red, therefor being called "red devil."

So I can only assume that the albino form of the red devil, aka sunglow super motley, would be the white devil? Cool name I think.

I agree with you on your previous post that each parent can only give one gene... being either hypo or motley. But somehow it's twisted. If thats the case, how did Jeremy Stone produce a red devil from hypo motley x hypo motley? One of the parents had to pass both traits somehow.... I talked to Jeremy about it, he said he thinks he has the genes figured out. He believes that breeding hypo motley x hypo motley would create a 1/64 chance of producing a red devil.

Not very good odds, but makes it that much more of a gem if we can ever get one to live! I dont remember who, I BELIEVE Frank martin also bred hypo mot x hypo mot, produced 3 red devils which did not live. So there is hope that its genetically possible and was not just a fluke. But theyve all been produced from hypo mot x hypo mot pairings.

That being said, a hypo mot x mot will most likely not produce a red devil. But then again, we havent really expiremented with it enough yet, time will tell

I'm not convinced that motley and salmon are alleles. They could be closely linked, with all the hypo motleys having a normal gene and a motley gene on one chromosome and a hypo gene and a normal gene on the other chromosome in the chromosome pair.

I agree that there have not been enough matings yet. IMO, the jury is still out until there are at least 200 babies from hypo motley X normal matings. Normal and hypo motley babies would be the crossover types.

Paul Hollander

Just wondering what the albino super motley will look like with the hypo or jungle or arb gene in it.. I dont think the 4th gene would be visible?? Or even a Snow super motely.. Hmmm, I wonder..