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This girl is about 3 feet, and has a lot of color compared to most normal Florida pines I see in captivity these days. She is het for nothing.

I was actually taking pictures to list her in the classifieds, but I changed my mind!

Nice Southern. Living in Florida are we limited to one natural appearing Southern in captivity? I may have misunderstood F&W when we last spoke. I seem to recall being told I can keep one wild type in captivity. I would only be able to produce visual morphs and the likes for selling. Appears I need clarification since I work solely with pinesnakes. How do Southern pines fit in with the current laws?

Well, Florida law only allows one wild-type mugitus per person, and does not allow the sale or possession for sale of the wild-type. The albino/leucistic types are unregulated. Technically patternless types are regulated.

I moved from Florida over a year ago, and all my pines were acquired after the move. While it is nice to keep whatever FL pines I want without the scrutiny of the law, there are a lot of other species I'd like to keep here that are completely off limits.

Thanks for the info. Interesting that you mentioned the patternless as being regulated. I never thought to ask as they mentioned visual morphs only. BTW, where did you relocate to?

I believe the wording of the regulation excludes only "amelanistic" Florida pines. FWC might just interpret that as anything not wild-type... I don't know.

I live in Indiana most of the time these days.

Rich...I think you can keep one per person..so one could be your wifes and one could be yours, and if you have any children, one per child...of course it would be there snakes. If you do breed them, you would have to give the babies away...cannot sell them. It would seem to me, that permitting people to breed and sell them would take off any pressure of wild caught animals. Who wouldn't prefer captive bred to wild caughts anyway. In the 33 years that I lived in Hillsborough county Florida, I could count the number of pinesnakes I've seen on one hand, and most of those were in the seventies. One person who lived in north Florida, recently informed me that he had seen 30 in one year. Maybe they are way more common in noth Florida then in central.

Dan

Thanks Dan, did not think of this either. To do this I believe my wife would then have to get her own permit as well. We would not mind having some normals. Have no problem breeding them and passing them to nature centers and such. Leaves much open about hets as well. Need to revisit this.

You don't need a permit to own a Florida pine unless you are keeping more than one per person... in which case, good luck.

I always need a permit but if we have 2 wild looking Southern Pines and one belongs to my wife, she may also have to acquire an additional permit. This I need to look into. We would have no problem pairing these up on occasion and donating the hatchlings to Nature Centers and such.

That is one stunning Pine snake.

byron.d

That's exactly what I was thinking!

Tim

Gorgeous! Would that be a fairly typical wild mugitus?

I would say that its a classic Florida pine. The wild ones vary a lot... the ones I have seen were nicer than this. This one is a captive-bred locality cross.

Good job on changing your mind!

That snake is unreal. That color is just amazing. Please keep us posted as the snake grows, as I would love to see how the snake looks as an adult!
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Genesis 1:1

Very nice animal! Who produced her?
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Nick Puder
www.rnpreptiles.com

...who produced this one. I don't have a full name anyway. It was a friend of a friend sort of deal. If I could get more like her I would.

No way, man- keep her! She's a BEAUTY!

//Todd

That is a really stunning mugitus. You mention that she's a locality cross, may I ask what localities? I have long believed that locality crosses of pure animals are the best way to show an overall representation of the species in general. I very much prefer them to line- or in-bred locality animals. Exceptional animal. I am jealous!!!
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--Brian Scott

I was told this was a Sarasota X Leon County cross.