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What do you think? Is he too small?

tcdrover Sep 30, 2009 01:48 PM

I put him in with her yesterday. He seems interested but I'm not
sure if he is big enough to get the job done.

It's funny I have a male ghost right next to her cage & he hasn't
stopped moving in over 3 weeks now. Yesterday was cleaning day
for me. He was in constant motion for over 4 hours. Poor guy is
going to lose his tiny little reptile mind. He needs some
action in the worst way.

Replies (22)

BROWNSBOAS Sep 30, 2009 02:55 PM

You might want to move that other male away from the female.. He may ended up getting a nose rub doing all that cruising..

Al Brown/Brown's Boas

tcdrover Sep 30, 2009 03:12 PM

He has it bad, there is also a nice, big female hypo het over
him that is probably ovulating right now. I put my big male
albino with her yesterday & he went straight to business.

It's interesting how they manage to communicate through scent.

What do you think about female aggression?
In boas, that is.

The female that is over him was always a nice calm, docile girl.
A few weeks ago I went to get her out of her cage & she went
completely ballistic. I ended up using a snake stick, but I
still got tagged twice. I was pretty upset at the time because
she just had a nice growth spurt & wanted to handle her. I think
now that maybe she was somehow affected by her hormones & all of
the males in that room.

tcdrover Sep 30, 2009 04:03 PM

This is his upstairs neighbor. You can just barely make out the
albino's head right under hers.

Pithons Sep 30, 2009 07:54 PM

Its hard to tell his size from that pic.. He prob can mate her. How old is he.. Do you have any other pics to see his size.. What is his response to the female.. Is he moving around and sniffing alot, or did he find a nice spot to take a nap..

tcdrover Sep 30, 2009 08:10 PM

He is making all the signs that he will eventually find his way,
he's on top of her crawling around just like any other male boa.

I'm pretty confident he will succeed, but I'm not sure if he is
big enough to actually impregnate the female.

My question was really for anyone that has bred small males
similar in size. What is the success ratio like for breedings
with such a large size difference?

Pithons Sep 30, 2009 08:35 PM

It has been done.. Last year I bred a not quite 4ft, 18month old male to a monster 8 ft female. How old is this male?
I also have a small male that is right at 3ft.. I hope to get him 3 1/2 ft or even 4ft by Jan so he can breed. I have high hopes for him.

A couple of years back I put a baby 4 month old male burm in with a 8ft female burm, and he was trying to breed her for months, though I knew he could never complete the job. And he never did.

tcdrover Sep 30, 2009 10:14 PM

I think he is around 18 months, maybe a little older.

I'm leaving him in with her & keeping my fingers crossed.

Morgans Boas Sep 30, 2009 08:31 PM

If he's producing sperm, and courting , then he's big enough . I had an 18 month old male breed last year that was under 3 ft , and less than a pound . He succesfully bred a girl who was almost 7 ft long.
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Snake room janitor

tcdrover Sep 30, 2009 10:16 PM

She's no where near that big. He's het for anery & albino so I
might get jungle snows or moonglows.

AbsoluteApril Oct 01, 2009 02:32 PM

Doesn't look too small to me! (wow, that female is stunning!)

Good luck with them!

Aw, ghost wants a girly too. Last season my male hog went nuts and paced his tank constantly for 3 months, poor guys just want some lovin' heh

Pic below is my 3yr old 3.5' male, he successfully bred that 6.5' female no problem.

-April
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tcdrover Oct 01, 2009 06:18 PM

That's Zahara(sp) in that pic?

I used to have a pair of hogs. They practically breed themselves.
My male and female would both go bananas every mating season.

The ghost is the odd man out unfortunately. I'm hoping there is
someone in this area that can use him.

AbsoluteApril Oct 02, 2009 02:09 PM

>>That's Zahara in that pic?

sure is

>>I used to have a pair of hogs. They practically breed themselves. My male and female would both go bananas every mating season.

It was so weird, he'd never acted like that before and he's 8 years old. Poor guy just kept pacing and pacing non stop. At least I know that's a good sign for when my female hog is finally old enough. ha!

Have a great Friday,
-April

p.s. you should show off more pics of your female in the original post, that red peppering/coral colors she has is outstanding!
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'There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."' -Rainshadow

cbmorphs Oct 01, 2009 02:54 PM

I don't think he's to small as long as he's ready willing and able! I do however think that cage is to small for the big guy down below, them. Plus he probably needs some action too!

He doesn't look like he could get away from the hot spot if he had to!

That Coral female is outrageously colored, good pick on that pairing!

Chaz Neely

tcdrover Oct 01, 2009 06:12 PM

I know it. All of my boas are in big cages except for him.

I had planned on buying another stack of those sweet ap cages,
but I bought hurricane shutters and it totally drained my bank account. I won't recover until next month.

I was trying to loan him out as a breeder male or sell him
but I've had no luck so far.

cbmorphs Oct 02, 2009 12:05 AM

I've never quite understood breeding loans. Isn't that kind of like inviting viruses or problems in the house?

I've always looked at that idea to be a bad one! Maybe it's just me but common sense says no thanks, I care to much about my animals to risk it!

Chaz Neely

Pithons Oct 02, 2009 11:23 AM

I agree with Chaz on the breeding loans.. The thought of doing a breeding loan never crossed my mind..

Chaz, How is my new snake doing. Cant wait to get her. Thanks buddy!

tcdrover Oct 02, 2009 01:31 PM

But people do them all the time. I have a boa that is the result
of a breeding loan. I've heard about problems, but they were all
people related.

As for the issue of diseases. Boas don't get all that many
diseases in captivity. IBD isn't very common. URIs are the
result of poor care, mites are too.

There aren't any other, hidden, contagious diseases that boas
get as far as I know & I've been keeping reptiles for a long
time now. Besides everyone that I know takes good care of their
boas & have healthy snakes, that would be the obvious
prerequisite for doing a breeding loan.

cbmorphs Oct 02, 2009 02:49 PM

She's doing great, but I think she's a little depressed I'm sending her away from home!!! She will definitely be missed around here! Maybe if I send a picture of her family to hang in her new cage, she won't get depressed!!! lol

The Motley female's doing great too, I think she definitely likes living here better! She get's to stay up late and I let her do whatever she wants! I guess you could say I spoil my girls to a little! ....well a lot actually

Thanks,
Chaz Neely

AbsoluteApril Oct 02, 2009 02:19 PM

>>I've never quite understood breeding loans.

I think it really depends on who you are doing the loan with, your level of comfort with that person being honest, ethical and forthcoming and knowledge of how they care for their animals.

If not for someone taking a chance doing a breeding loan with me I would not be fortunate enough to be working with one of the morphs that is a big part of my projects (harlequin), or at least, it would have been a couple years off when I would have been able to afford to jump into it from buying babies and having to raise up, etc. We only knew each other via this forum and emails. It worked out great (at least, in my opinion, I hope he thought so) and I was very greatful for the opportunity.

The only thing I would do differently for any future loans is write up a contract to cover 'worst case scenario' possibilities, just better safe than sorry.

My $0.02
-April

cbmorphs Oct 02, 2009 02:58 PM

The sad thing is, no matter how clean or reputable a breeder or breeder friend may be, the risk of diseases is still there! I bet just about everybody on here has had a Boa with IBD! But they wouldn't admit it to save their lives! Unless they were trully clueless to things like that!

Thanks,
Chaz

tcdrover Oct 02, 2009 04:18 PM

I didn't think IBD was anywhere near that common. Are you sure
your experience wasn't in the extreme minority?

I've been keeping, buying, trading & selling boas for over ten years & I've never had to deal with IBD so far. No one that I
know has dealt with IBD and boas either.

I'm only into boas not Ball Pythons. Pythons obviously are very
different.

cbmorphs Oct 02, 2009 04:57 PM

I've never had to experience it (THANK GOD), but I've heard plenty of HORROR stories about it!

That right there, is enough proof for me, even if it isn't true or common as you say!

I have WAY WAY WAY TO much invested to take ANY unnecessary RISKs!

I was just voicing my opinion anyway! I wasn't looking for a heated discussion on the topic of IBD. Those 3 LETTERS TOGETHER ARE very scary just in writing! Forget I even brought those BAD BAD BAD THREE LETTERS UP!

Bottom line is, I would never do a breeder loan! I've been asked several times believe me! But I respectfully declined!

I'm in now way shape or form interested in making anyone look bad or arguing. Who needs that in today's economy, we all need stick together and help one another, just NOT BREEDER LOANS!!! LOL! ! !

Thanks and have a good one! GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR MALE! He looks awesome, that's a good pairing for sure! The babies should be SCREAMERS!!!
Chaz Neely

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