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When breeding trans, is not a good idea to breed trans to trans? I see trans to het, and het to het. Obviously want to do what is best for the babies. thanx

No help?

I only own one trans and have yet to breed her,I was told[as I am no expert]to breed her to a male that is het for trans...not another trans as this would produce a weaker gene.I just asked a breeder last night.[I've been breeding for many years,just not trans]

Based on some reading i heard the same thing that Trans x Trans can produce a offspring with weaker genetics. But i also spoke with bloodbank as i had the same question. Well i actually wanted to out-cross with the Belgium trans gene but it was still a trans x trans question. They stated that they're bloodlines are very healthy and genetically strong same as josh's from phantom dragons. Based on speaking with them id say that the trans gene has been strenghened enough to cross them together as long as they are from solid bloodlines. I have yet to do this but i would assume it has been done with the right bloodlines and vigorous offspring have been produced. I would say speak to soem people who have possible done it and see what they say.

Why not just breed to hets, and continue the improvement? If two steps have been taken forward, why go ahead and make any backwards?

I agree but has it actually been proven that breeding two strong trans bloodlines result in weaker offspring. I would go out on a limb and say that the trans gene has been strengthened very much. Again i do agree that breeding hets is the way to go, why not improve the gene pool for the years to come. I think that someone would need to breed two hets, a het to a recessive and two actual trans dragons together and record feeding and growth rates as well as any defects etc.. to be able t say that trans x trans is any worse than het x het. Would you agree.

No I wouldnt agree because I have been told of first hand troubles resulting from trans x trans breedings. Im not saying that they are all bad, I really don't have a clue as to what anyone else breeds, inbreeds, linebreeds, outcrosses, etc etc, and Im certainly not going to point any fingers. I have just been told on a number of occasions, troubles with breeding trans to trans and the babies not being right.

On one hand I have seen some of the best dragons of all time with vigorous appetite, amazing color and tremendous growth, and on the other hand I have seen some of the worst problems and worst dragons ever(not just talking about trans). Only time will tell how things go.

agreed. But i guess what i was saying is although im sure there is still much improvement that can be made to the trans gene as far as outcrossing goes. Maybe its just the gene that causes there to be issues when crossed together? Kind of similar to The enigma gene in leopard geckos although still new not quite right offspring result from enigma x enigma. I have not personally crossed two trans together but i think that with the trans bloodlines out there now someone needs to do an analysis and compare trans x trans breedings as well as two hets, and trans to a lizard not carrying any alleles for the trans gene. And document what results in the offspring. Parents size, weight, # of eggs laid, Hatch rates, growth rates, defects. To try and point out if its the actual gene being crossed with it self that creates problems. The trans gene amazes me so much. Not only when it comes to crossing it but to the weird enigmas out there like hets with solid black eyes and the partial trans dragons. This gene is truly n enigma Hopefully one day we will know more about this trait.

The best thing to do is breed het to het or het to transluscent. I have produced thousands of transluscents over the years, and get the best results with these combinations. I find that I can't push the morph forwards by breeding trans to trans. Josh

Why not just breed to hets, and continue the improvement? If two steps have been taken forward, why go ahead and make any backwards?

Exactly

Josh

There we go i was waiting for josh to chime in since your trans bloodline along with bloodbanks are pretty much the best in the biz. So do you think that trans x trans will ever be a good cross? Or just the trans gene just doesn't work well when crosses with itself in the recessive form.

Some people have done trans to trans breedings and had success with the babies, but more so it's the complete opposite. It's not just trans. You can get the same results from breeding hypos together too. Josh