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Get all antsy and anticipatory the day before they have new snakes arriving? My snakes from Nokturnel Tom should be here tomorrow and my snakes from Rainier (BlueRosy) should be here Thursday.

I promise to post pics when they arrive
I've got tubs set up for them for arrival and everything...now I'm just gonna be waiting for the FedEx guy
I may need to add another female to my mouse group to help keep up with the pinkies. Got speckleds coming from Tom and Floridas from BlueRosy. *jump jump jump*

Now all I need is a bigger mouse colony I haven't had a litter in 2 weeks I think...esh.

You better get to breeding bro,..and QUICK!

Those guys will eat you out of house and home compared to other stuff..LOL!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Hah just signed for the package and opened 'em up. Wonderfully packed. I'd forgotten how teeny baby kings could be! They're really nice looking. Possible het for whitesided but I'd have paid the same price just for normals that look like this, they're really sweet!

I'll have to get pics after work. I probably shouldn't be typing this while I'm on the clock

These are the two females. The male wouldn't cooperate at all. He was split between biting me (ROFL--I don't think his mouth is big enough!!) and fleeing, so I let him be after a couple of pretty bad photo attempts.

Female 1:

Female 2:

Those are some good looking babies! Hats off to Tom for producing those and to you for having the good sense to grab 'em when the grabbing's good!

>>These are the two females. The male wouldn't cooperate at all. He was split between biting me (ROFL--I don't think his mouth is big enough!!) and fleeing, so I let him be after a couple of pretty bad photo attempts.

Congratulations on the acquisition....
Tom has some of the nicest Specks I've ever seen....
They are already impressive that little but they turn into AWESOME adults PDQ too......

Nice!
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

Congrats! I love my specks alot. Here is my 08 male from a pair I got from Split Rock.

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1.0 Boa- Hogg Island
0.1 Bull- Northern
1.0 Bull- TX Red
0.1 Bull- KS Yellow
1.1 Bulls- Red X Yellow
1.0 Bull- Medicine Hat, Alberta, Canada
1.0 Corn Snake (Okeetee?)
1.1 Fox Snakes- Western
1.1 Kings- Black Easterns (L.g.nigra) Todd Co. KY
1.2 Kings- Coastal CA
1.1 Kings- NC Eastern Chains (M from Union Co. & F from Mecklenburg Co.)
1.1 Kings- Gray Banded 'Blair's'
1.1 Kings- Speckled, Harris Co. TX
1.1 Pines- Carolina Northerns (M from NC, F from SC)
1.1 Pines- Louisiana (pure descendants of Terry Vandeventer stock)
1.1 Pythons- Ball
1.1 Ratsnakes- Black, Henderson Co. NC

that's a screamin' banana, Orchidspider!
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Todd Hughes

I'd ordered a hypo male/normal poss het female. Rainier sent me a hypo female, regular male and an Anrey male!! FREAKING AWESOME!!! I really like the hypo too...I hadn't seen one in person so wasn't sure what to expect 100%...pleasent suprise I like the paleish tones. Aesthetically I usually like hypomelanistic morphs more than amelanstic and that certainly holds true here. Very pleasent, calming colors on the snake. Nice and mellow. Happy little speckling...

OK, I sound like a snake Bob Ross now..

They're also looking good. Will post up pics later.

Thanks

That is an axanthic and not an Anery.

I usede a New England axanthic to what i call the 123 line (PB x hypo x axanthic)

All are possible hets for Peanut Butter , Axanthic and hypo. The lines I used are all non-outcrossed S, Dade county lines.

I think that axanthic is great. It turn out nice when it starts to get some size. Everything from that 123 line turns out light so i woul;d not be surprised if that New Engalnd line will come through better or at least equal to a NE axanthic.

feed that female well so you can get this project going by 2011!

Good luck with them!
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"They that can give up essential liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety." -Benjamin Franklin

Here is what i think your axanthic will turn out , OR BETTER.

You may like the hypo line but it is that axanthic which will probably sawy you to be your fav.

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"They that can give up essential liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety." -Benjamin Franklin

Oops. I even wrote axathnic on her tub too...oh well i'm a space cadet

I'm so breeding a WS to a hypo and a WS to an axathinc and maybe all three together. I figure I can pick some white sided floridas up later this year or early next. thatpicture you or tom (can't remember) posted of a hypo whitesided...drool! talk about pretty!

You said:
"I'm so breeding a WS to a hypo and a WS to an axathinc and maybe all three together. I figure I can pick some white sided floridas up later this year or early next. thatpicture you or tom (can't remember) posted of a hypo whitesided...drool! talk about pretty!"

Are you breeding the "123's" I sent you to whitesideds?

If you breed the axanthic to the hypo I sent you would get:

100% het for ghost
or
Ghosts
Hypo Peanut Butters- I just produced these this year for the first time. All holdbacks for 2009.

Axanthic PB- Never been produced yet anywhere.

Ghost PB- also never been produced before.

By breeding the WS into the two you might be wasting great potential and you would still only get hets. The WS axanthic, hypos and Ghosts have been out for a while. plus it would take you another 2-3 years to make them.
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"They that can give up essential liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety." -Benjamin Franklin

clarified since I miscommunicated;
I'm not sure how i'm going to workt he freebie male in yet
I'm breeding the hypo male back to the axanthic sister.
I am also breeding him to a WS female.

I'll have too see what hatches before I do any more planning. Ought to be some NICE animals!

Posted by: varanid at Thu Oct 8 13:31:08 2009 [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by varanid ]

clarified since I miscommunicated;
I'm not sure how i'm going to workt he freebie male in yet
I'm breeding the hypo male back to the axanthic sister.
I am also breeding him to a WS female.

The axanthic I sent is the male. The hypo is the female.

I sent a male axanthic because male axanthics from this line turn out even lighter than females. they get huge to.
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"They that can give up essential liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety." -Benjamin Franklin

gaaah, I need to proofread my post >.< I'm blaming Nyquil and benydryl.

Axanthic male to hypo sister (1st breeding)
Axanthic male to unrelated WS or Mosiac female (cause hell, why not)
Poss het male to act as backup.

I really like the Mosiac and Whiteside morphs and wonder about working any of these color abberiences into Mosiacs. So I'm kind of deciding between an extra female whiteside or a female mosiac to get those genes in. She'd get bred to the male Axanthic first season too. That'd give me het for mosiac and axanthic, which I could then breed back to gether for an axanthic mosiac, which I think would be neat. I want to try (someday) to get both axanthic and hypomelanistic mosiacs to combine thier color traits with the mosiac pattern.

From the standpoint of preference, I find both Mosiac and whitesides visually stunning, but from what you said whiteside's had more work done with it, so I may wind up going into Mosiacs too.
I hope I didn't mess up again I feel terrible about mixing up morphs and genders. All I can say is I'm stoned on cough syrup and sore from hacking my lungs apart.

LOL!

ya been there done that with Nyquil.

I really like the mosaic trait to and it is fairly recent and priced right. The whitesides are nice but there is always that dicrepency of them being hybrids with WS ratsnakes. That is why i choose not to work with them to much.

I think that Gourmet Rodent has WS x Mosaics in the works. Not sure how that would turn out but finding out is half the fun.

Anyway, it sounds like you have some good projects in the works and i would highly reccoemend getting a female Mosaic. I love the short heads and the fact the trait is a reccessive. For such a new trait they are very inexpensive.
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"They that can give up essential liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety." -Benjamin Franklin

I didn't know that white sides were a hybrid >.< That sort of kills it for me. As impressive as they are looking.

I had no idea mosiac was new. I just love the jigsaw look of them!

Well a lot of people don;'t think they are a hybrid cross. But i do. The ratsnake was bred out several generations so for all intenese purposes they became pure floridanan. I have the hypo Whitesides myself and love them.

Don't get turned off the whitesides as they are accepeted as pure floridana. All that back breeding makes them pretty pure. When back breeding farm animals that is a scientific fact they are 100% of said spp. undetactable.
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"They that can give up essential liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety." -Benjamin Franklin

>> "OK, I sound like a snake Bob Ross now.."

LOL!!,..that's funny as heck!!, Bob Ross was a real "trip" the way he talked as he painted..LOL!

"Now let's put a few happy little speckles over here on the scales of this floridana we're doing today,...go ahead, don't be afraid,...it's your world"..hahaha!!

Sound familiar??..LOL!

Glad you got some cool floridana!,....but like I said before,....GET TO BREEDIN' THOSE MICE!,...and maybe buy a conveyor belt too while you're at it..LOL!

~Doug

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

I think my mice may be overcrowded; I'm going to kill and freeze some extra males and see if that helps them start popping out babies again. i may cull some juvy mice too. New to breeding my own feeders.

My new specks ate this morning--I thawed out the mice overnight and dumped them in to everyone's tubs this morning (retics, ball, etc)...they ate them during the time it took me to check my email.

Oh ya!,...overcrowding will DEFINITELY screw up production, as well as potential cannibalism and eating their own pinkies too. This is very typical for them to do when conditions are too cramped.

Now I just buy tons of frozen, but when I was breeding, I would simply have two or three females to one male in a mouse lab breeder bin.

Keep your eys out for any individuals you see snacking on a pinkie, and FEED IT OFF immediately,..as that is totally counter-productive to your efforts.

Another note......producing females tend to decline production after about a year, so keep stickers on the cage with dates so you can rotate(replace) the stock accordingly. This will help a great deal if you do thing wisely this way.

Good luck!, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"