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So I have down the basics of breeding genetics for balls. My question is if I want to create a trio to start breeding and I want to get bumblebees and the lot, of the male and two females who should be what? What is the best mix for the best options in the future? Should the male be a spider or bumblebee and females are pastels or male is a pastel and a bumble female and normal female, in everyones opinion what is the best mix? Thanks to everyone.

I am just starting out too, so I am in no way a professional, but I am going to try to answer your question.

It looks like you want to breed bumblebees? So it depends on time and patients. If you want something that you create yourself then I would go with a spider male and pastel females. if you are not quite so patient I would get a bumblebee male and breed it to pastel females.

Just depends on how fast you want results. Personally I purchased all resessive hets, normals, and a pastel. I want to create the morphs myself, in your case I would do the spider and pastels to produce the morph myself. It is always easy to buy what someone else creates, but there is something about the satisfaction of cutting the egg and finding what you wanted.

Good luck ~ Stephanie

do the bee male and 2 pastel females, so POTENTIALLY you could produce spiders, pastels, super pastels, bumblebees, and killerbees all in the same year. Get a big head start on your future projects.
Goods luck,
Chad

I agree with Chad. If you have the money to purchase an 09 bee male (and they aren't that expensive anymore!) and two 07 or 08 female pastels, in a year or so will have a pretty decent breeding group. Thats what I'd do.
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BALL PYTHONS
1.0 Mojave
1.0 Cinnamon
1.1 Het Caramel albino
1.1 Het VPI Axanthic
0.1 Piebald
0.1 VPI Axanthic
0.1 Lesser Platinum
0.1 Orange Ghost
0.1 Black Pastel
0.1 Pinstripe
0.1 Spider
0.2 Pastel
0.4 Normal
OTHER SNAKES
1.0 Albino Boa
1.0 Brazilian Rainbow Boa
0.1 Jungle Carpet Python
0.1 Western Hognose
1.2 Corn Snake
LIZARDS
1.1 Bearded Dragon - Orin & Sierra
1.0 Enigma Leopard Gecko
0.0.1 Red/Blue Hybrid Tegu - Jackson
MAMMALS
0.1 American Bulldog - Maui Rose
0.1 Shiba Inu - Mako (Starlite's Shark Attack)
1.0 American Pit Bull Terrier - Magnum TT, CGC, TDI
2.0 White DSH Cats - Lucaya (Luke) & Fiji
1.0 Cinnamon Pinto Hedgehog - Niles

Going with the other suggestions would yield the greatest potential diversity in the first couple clutches that you produce. However, if you are not in the position to to spend that kind of money on a Bumblebee male you have other options.

If you are only concerned with producing Bumblebees it really won't matter which combination you decide to go with since the ratios will be the same whether you have a male spider and a female pastel or if it's the other way around.

However, if you'd like to also produce Super Pastels, I would go with a male Pastel and one female Pastel and one female Spider. This would help you maximize the potential and in the future when you raise up the babies you can hold back a Pastel or Super Pastel baby to possibly create more Super Pastels and/or Killer bees.

This would also be one of the "cheapest" ways to attain your goal.
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thanks everyone,I like the idea of being able to get the most potential diversity that I can I like the idea of getting a head start and going with the bee male and pastel females. Only I have to see if I can swing the price of the bee. Thanks again everyone.