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New BRB litter 101 - input welcome..

rainbowsrus Oct 09, 2009 04:09 PM

New BRB litter 101...

I know this comes up from time to time and last night I offered food to a large litter (28) of 5 day old full term hatchlings and had 100% success rate. Here's what I do to get my babies started out in life ...

General rules of thumb:

1) I only offer food weekly. If they don't eat, they wait a week to have food offered again. They will not starve in a few weeks or even in worse case a few months.

2) Hatchling BRB's feed best on hopper mice.

3) Of course proper temps, humidity and clean environment are a prerequisite!!

I classify the maturity of each litter into one of three categories:

1) Full term - no egg yolk to be found, babies exit from the egg sacks within a couple hours of birth. Many leave right away.

2) Short term - A little yolk on some of the babies. Nothing big and they still leave the sacks early on but not as quickly as full term babies.

3) Premature - Obvious yolk sacks. Some will stay in the egg sack for hours and hours, even days. Some preemies will require additional care to ensure the yolk does not harden in their belly.

Care for the different maturity level litters is similar but there are some key differences.

Full term, I pull babies as they clear the egg sacks and place them in a communal sweater box tub with damp paper towels to house ten(ish) babies for an hour or two to allow them to clean themselves off by slithering around in the communal tub. Ten seems to work well for me, not so few as it takes many tubs and not so many that it's hard to wrangle them all when the lid is open. Once cleaned up somewhat, Each baby is weighed then placed in a individual shoe box tub with very damp paper towels and a water bowl. Full term litters typically eat whenever offered food and shed in about 9 to 12 days.

Short term litters skip the communal tub and go straight to individual tubs. These litters will likely take a few days longer to shed and quite often are not the best eaters pre-shed. Once they do shed they do typically eat just like a full term baby

Preemie litters, if possible are left right where they are until babies are cruising out of the sacks, then very carefully transferred to individual tubs. Great care is taken to ensure the yolk and umbilical are not damaged in the process. One day later if the yolk has not been absorbed, I make a judgment call to decide whether or not to remove the yolk. Mostly I remove it unless the baby is doing a good job absorbing and not much of it is left. These babies typically take noticeably longer to shed, some take a long time, even a month. They are not good eaters to start with but with patience and proper care can grow into perfectly healthy specimens.

Yolk removal - Yup, not fun at all but sometimes is necessary to help the baby survive. If it hardens and is pulled inside the belly, I've read the baby is not likely to survive. To remove the yolk, first do a pinch test, with your thumb and forefinger, pinch the umbilical near the yolk. The intent is to squeeze back all fluids, yolk and blood so nothing is left but the umbilical itself. When you let go does anything flow back in? If yes, the umbilical will need to be tied off prior to removing the yolk. If not (be 100% certain) then tying off is not required. Tie off the umbilical with thread or non flavored dental floss near the yolk. Once tied, cut off the yolk just past your thread/floss. In a day or two you will need to do this again with the string, pinch test again and when no fluids come back in, cut off a little more umbilical including the thread/floss. Do not allow the thread/floss to be pulled inside the body cavity with the umbilical.

First feeding - I don't rush things, I feed all my babies on the same day, already started and newborns ones alike. The first food I offer is a LIVE small hopper mouse. IMO the babies do best when their natural hunting instincts kick in. I feed in the evening as that seems to work best for me. I remove the water bowl and toss in the live food and close the drawer. Repeat for all the newborn babies. Then walk away and leave the room dark. I come back in a half hour or so and typically most or all of the hoppers are magically gone. Individual record cards are very helpful for tracking feeding etc on individuals.

For subsequent weekly feedings I work them down the following path. If they take the next step great, if not I back up to prior step.

1) Live hopper mouse (first feeding)
2) Fresh killed (F/K) hopper mouse - second feeding
3) Warmed up frozen thawed (F/T) hopper mouse - after several feedings with F/K

I also will mix in live pinky rats depending on what I have available. Overall for the large group I go in somewhat reverse order since some will refuse items further down the list.
First, I offer them pinky rats until all the pinky rats are eaten.
Second I offer those that have not eaten yet a F/T hopper mice until all those are eaten.
Third I offer the new hatchlings live hopper mice.
Lastly I offer the remainder of the babies a F/K hopper mouse. One at a time saving one I know will eat for last. Any that refuse the F/K are offered a live one.

Typical progression is one or two live, a few-ish F/K then eat anything offered.

Non live food is introduced by opening the drawer and dangling it by the tail near the head but not touching. If possible, I bring it in from the other side of the water bowl so their ambush instincts kick in. If they appear attentive but not striking I slowly retract, if they follow, the strike will usually come soon. Once the baby strikes, I wiggle the feeder a little to get full on constriction and then let go. Sometimes they are under the paper towel and I actually lift the baby out from under the paper towel and set on top so I it's easier to verify later that the baby actually ate the feeder. If my dangling and slow movements do not work, I let the feeder touch the baby to get it's attention. Lastly, if still not eating I will leave the dead prey in the tub, closed for a half hour or so while working on something else. I post-it note the tub to know which one(s) to check back on.

Note: ALL tubs are checked to verify actual consumption of the feeder!! I have left F/T overnight on occasion but always checked before the food has a chance to go rancid.

With dozens and dozens of babies each year, I do find a very small few that won't eat on their own. I continue to offer food weekly for about one to two months. If not eating by then I try "assist feeding" a F/K fuzzy. To assist feed you simply open the snakes mouth (with the nose of the feeder) and insert the head of the feeder and see if the snake then swallows. Some will but more likely will spit it out then comes the full on force feeding where you stuff the food item far enough down so the snake will swallow it.

If assist fed, then offer live the following week and assist if necessary.

If force fed, skip the next meal and then two weeks offer live / force feed again.

After a few rounds the snake usually gets the idea and eats on it's own. IN all my babies I've only had one so far that never got the idea. That one went to a friend and is still being force fed to this date.

Will be working on turning this post into a care sheet for my website, eventually will have pics scattered through it showing various aspects. Any and all input welcome!!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count (05/26/2009):
36.51 BRB
29.42 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Replies (6)

hyporainbowboas Oct 09, 2009 05:29 PM

Excellent Work Dave.

I think you hit the nail on the head with this feeding protocol. Everyone who gets a rainbowboa from you seems to be very happy, so I know that your method works quite well. I just have a few minor suggestions that I think people should consider when feeding newborn rainbowboas.

Rainbowboas are very easy to get feeding under a variety of techniques.
I try to avoid feeding live hoppers until the babies have an incredible hunting and feeding response…basically after just two or three meals. This is because rodents do not have teeth until they start to open their eyes. Therefore, fuzzy rodents are harmless whereas hoppers can bite and do damage if they are not constricted right away. Feeding big fat fuzzy mice for the first few meals is much safer with virtually no downside…babies started on fuzzys will grow at almost the same rate.

I often have 100% success with frozen/thawed fuzzys left in the cages overnight…even as the very first meal….even before their first shed. I have started babies on live or F/T fuzzy mice, hopper mice, or very young rat pinkies. Typically all eat every meal with very few refusing for more than a week or two.

The only place that I will disagree with you is about force feeding. I force fed a few baby rainbowboas over the past decade (out of 1000 plus babies), but decided in 2004 to never force feed again. Although the snake will eventually start eating on its own, I do not want to propagate this reluctance to eat in the gene pool of BRB’s. After a few weeks of trying different feeding techniques, the baby either starts to eat on its own, it goes in the freezer, or I give it away to someone who really wants a rainbowboa as a pet. If they want to force feed it and provide additional care, I have them promise never to breed that animal… this is better for me, it lets someone have a great pet, and I feel that it is a better alternative than the freezer.

You know that I am not trying to find fault with your system (it obviously works very well), but rather offer a few of my observations from raising a lot of rainbowboas. I think that this type of feeding information will be incredibly helpful as more and more keepers have successful rainbowboa litters.

Thank you so much for providing such good and detailed information and I look forward to seeing it after you add photos and get this information in a format that you are happy with.

Thanks again Dave.
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Bryan Hummel
www.rainbowboas.com

waspinator421 Oct 09, 2009 09:00 PM

AWESOME!! Thank you for taking the time to put this together. Very helpful for me as this is my first year having my own litters!
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Aubrey Ross

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www.SlipstreamSerpents.com

Jeff Clark Oct 09, 2009 10:40 PM

Dave,
...Lots of good info there.
...I have never had to force feed a normal baby Brazilian Rainbow Boa. If they are born defect free they all eat. I do wonder if my cooler temperatures may be the difference in never having to force feed a normal baby. Many times I have had people email with feeding problems with baby BRBs and often they are keeping them in the 80s and dropping temperatures into the 70s gets them eating. I have had some with birth defects (missing an eye or having a spinal kink or an oddly shaped head) that would not eat but I do not assist or force feed them. I offer them food and if they eat I give them or sell them at low price to people looking for a pet only animal. If they do not eat they end up in the freezer.
...I never mess with tieing up umbilicals. If the snake is born with lots of yolk material I leave them alone and try to let them absorb as much as possible before they start crawling around. Sometimes the mother snake moving around will bother the babies and they will crawl and break umbilicals that still have lots of yolk material attached. These often bleed but the bleeding usualy quickly stops and the end result seems to be good. I have had some with larger and thicker umbilicals and they have not caused any problems. They dry up and fall off like the thin umbilicals but take longer. Their umbilical wounds are usually a little larger but they heal up quickly. I have had a few with really large abnormal messy looking umbilical wounds and I am usually amazed at how quickly and how well they heal.
...I raise rats and almost always have pinky rats available for first meals. A very high percentage of most litters will eat live pinky rats whenever I offer them for the first time. Many eat their first day. A few will not take them and get offered a week later and many then take them. A small percentage refuse pinky rats and I get live hopper mice for them. Many that waited for a live hopper mouse for the first meal take a live pinky rat with no hesitation a week later. I do not put much effort into changing them over to dead prey. They almost all change over eventually but I sell many of them while they are still on live. I get a better feeding response and higher percentage of them eating when feeding live. I want them to eat and grow and would rather they eat a live meal than refuse a dead one. If I can get them all (or at least most of them) fed with one pass thru the cages changing paper towels and putting pinky rats in and another pass an hour later recording their meals the feeding job is easy and fairly quick.
Jeff

TimS Oct 12, 2009 03:44 PM

looks great dave. i cant wait to see it with pics involved to show the diff stages of everything. This im sure will prove helpful to alot of people out there.

rainbowsrus Oct 12, 2009 05:46 PM

Yeah, problem will be in getting some of the more rare shots like preemies etc. Eventually I will babable to put something together with lotsa pics.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count (05/26/2009):
36.51 BRB
29.42 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

TimS Oct 12, 2009 06:31 PM

with my luck im sure when i have my first rainbow litter i will have premies and other random surprises.

oh a little of topic cause thats what i do best lol the one pair of BCI i have together i have extreme high hopes for. the girl is nice and oval swell (no giant football tho) and the male is always over her like white on rice. great early signs for good things to come this could be my first goo litter

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