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Hi Doug,
I've been meaning to post these up for you sorry there so late in coming.
-Dell

Marion co. male

Marion co. female

I've got all of their clutch taking pinkheads except this little firecracker, still stuffing tails on her. grrrr

Wow. Those are outstanding Dell, espeically that male. Really light looking background on that boy.

Dave
DNS Reptiles

Thanks Dave, I thought you might like those two also.

When are we going to see some more new photos from you? I know you posted a few new animals, but I know you have more to show.

-Dell Jefferson co. syspila, female

Awesome Dell!,.....what a huge difference in coloration from the same county too!...wow!

Hopefully the little "firecracker" will come around for ya soon.

But you N.A. guys just LOVE all the nurturing "TLC" though..LOL!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Doug, for me, the extra TLC is part
of the allure! Despite all the trouble, they are definitely worth it, I'm sure you agree. I've always had an interest in the unusual and tough to get started eaters, i.e., Tropidophis, Candoia, and Triangulum. I don't now what the hell is wrong with me? LOL!!! Nice syspila Dell!
-Phil
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Work is the curse of
the drinking class!

Yeah Phil, I know exactly what you're saying..LOL!

I get a great amount of satisfaction and pride from getting tough snakes, or problem snakes to become nice healthy thriving specimens too. My Outer Banks were real pains in the ass(believe it or not) to get going, then after a long while, they all came around and are growing and thriving BIG-TIME!

There is definitely something to the delicate care and nurturing through the early stages that is part of the allure for sure.

But now while all this is very true, I always hope there ain't TOO darn many of'em that have to be dealt with!..hahaha!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Doug,
Sticticeps jump on Ground Skinks, or pinkies scented with
them, in the same manner as my kids do Fruit Loops! LOL!!!
Six Lined Race Runners will do the trick too. Unlike most
L.g.g., snakes, or shed skins of snakes on a pink, just don't seem to hold that magic punch for Outer Banks Kings. These
darn insular ssp. can really be a bear! LOL!!!
-Phil
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Work is the curse of
the drinking class!

That's true, but the ground skinks just happen to be the ONE THING I can't get where I'm at..LOL!

I tried all SORTS of other things in my arsenal, I scented with all kinds of stuff, but they wouldn't even look twice at any offerings no matter what I did. So I kept them going with force-feeding very small brown anoles, and tiny shots of egg yolk through a thin ball-tip syringe. Then finally, one day...BAM!, they all three started taking pinks on there own, and from that day forward were typical voracious getula..LOL!

Now, they actually chase me down for food!,..seriously!

This awesome girl was a 9 gram runt when acquired, now she is the huge monster of all three..LOL!

~Doug

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Hey Doug, not to Shcofield you here or anything, but I'd love to have a 9 gram neonate to try and get started. Some of the syspila, taylori, and multistrata start out at 3 & 4 grams, and even a pinkhead looks to big for them to get down. I bet if Chris N. gets in on this small neonate jabber, he can show us even smaller neonates that he has started.
I know, I know, a tough starting neonate is a tough starting neonate, doesn't matter if it's a 9 gram runt or a 20 gram beast.

This little hypo shat is still being forced tails.
-Dell

No doubt about that Dellster!,.....

Nine grams compared to some of those tiny things you guy's typically mess with is like a Burmese Python!..LOL!

I've had to deal with some tiny elapsoides neonates before, so I feel your pain..LOL! Getting that gorgeous hypo you posted going will be well worth the effort I'd say, that is very sharp looking!

You almost need a jeweler's "loop" to deal with those tiny guys!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Nothing wrong with ya Phil. "Nothing is life worth having comes easy". Not sure who first said it but I think for the most part it is true.

>> "Nothing in life worth having comes easy".

*** I think one of the earliest colonial triangulum breeders from the Mayflower first quoted that..LOL!!

He was even late for the original Thanksgiving because he had to stay home and force-feed mouse tails to his collection....hahahhaa!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Ha ha ha Doug, I've never really thought of it much, but I guess your right, I do enjoy working w/ neonates tying to get them started on pinkies. When one of the little shats has taken three or four months to get started there is a real feeling of reward when a nonfeeder starts taking pink heads on it's own.
I think Hardwick has the record on staying w/ a nonfeeder the longest, two years. I'm sure he is still trying to forget that little pain in the arss.

-Dell, aaaa nice and full.

LOL!!,..I hear ya buddy!.

that can try the nerves of any man!

Nice photo there too. Looks like that one is quite content for a while, and ready for an after-dinner nap..LOL!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

I have to admit that I will take the ones that feed right away any day, but there is some sort of great satisfaction when one you have worked with for a long time finally starts eating. Or in my last years LTT clutch's case, nine of them needed coaxing and I passed some of that frustration on to snakebit! (Doug L.) Of course, I only wanted to give Doug a little feeling of acclomplishment of his own.LOL!

Not only do I get my snakes to eat

I also have my snakes smoking after dinner cigars

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Doug L

HAHAHAHAHA!!,..man!,..that is too much! Dougster!

The blood and tenden tissue look totally authenticlike it is really lit!..LOL!

GREAT PHOTO!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Now that's a smokin pyro!

>> " nine of them needed coaxing and I passed some of that frustration on to snakebit! (Doug L.) Of course, I only wanted to give Doug a little feeling of acclomplishment of his own."

** TOO FREAKIN' FUNNY!!, that was very "kind" of you to allow him some of the warm, fuzzy fealing too!..LOL!!

Seriously though, I know the exact feeling of accomplishment. I've felt like literally doing back-flips before when things started to voluntarily feed for the first time after months of work(sometimes of course. much longer), as Jeff Hardwick can attest with the over two year problem feeder(s).

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Is Jeff still assist or force feeding that snake? Man, he is going to have tie one on after that one eats! I know I would. Well, I would anyway, but that's besides the point!

>> "Well, I would anyway, but that's besides the point!"

*** HAHAHA!, that's as good an excuse as any..LOL!

I'm not sure if Jeff is still messing with that particular one, but someone else here just mentioned him working with one for over 2 years or better.

But maybe that is WHY he drinks to begin with!..LOL!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Love the jagged black saddle borders on that male and the clean backgrd.
Thx Dell

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Doug L

Awesome!!!
What state is Marion CO?





Thanks!!!
Chris Flowers
MIDWESTERN MONSTERS

What state is Marion CO?

It's not a state it's a county in Missouri.

Marion co. MO

Thats what I meant was "what state is it in"
I still remeber the 50 US states hahaha

But how are people able to collect from Missouri? I go herping there every memorial weekend and I thought almost all snakes were protected from collecting? I would love to bring back some of their fuana...

I live in Iowa so Missouri is just a hop skip and a jump away from me

AWESOME SNAKES EVERYONE
Thanks
MIDWESTERN MONSTERS

It is generally illegal to collect triangulum within the state of Missouri, unless granted a permit by the state wildlife department. The animals Dell, I, and several others are working with are from lines originating prior to the regulation of this species within the state. That's one extra perk in buying captive bred...animals which would otherwise be unavailable, ARE available!!!

-Cole