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I'm fairly certain this is a hybrid (labeled as a Pueblan at a local petstore in Largo, FL). Any idea on what it could possibly be made of? I'm thinking pueblan x gray-banded? I do think it's neat looking.

Thanks!
fliptop

It's just a neat looking campbell, in mho.

Mike

Without having the parents to examine it's really a crapshoot to begin with.

I have , to my knowledge, pure campbelli that produce the widening band width type rings seen in the original picture (although not to that extent). In fact, I held back one that had that wide banding to hopefully produce some wide banded Pueblans. The original breeder animals came from some respected forum members as well (if that adds any credibility to their purity).

Purity is a different discussion altogether. Go back to the petstore and try to find the breeder/original owner. They may have more info. If it is a Pueblan you got a great animal (in fact drop me a line iof you tire of it! )

Here is a pic of a pure Black Racer. I can contest to the purity as I removed the eggs from the DOR female. This one hatched and was released within normal range of the capture site.

Thanks for the info! And for saving that unusual black racer (one of the most depressing sights I've seen was a DOR garter that was gravid).

Is popping the same as in rat and kingsnakes? And is it safe to pop at this age?

I got this thing from PetSmart (saw it a month ago, and yesterday couldn't pass it up). It took a large pinky right away. There was another in the cage with it (didn't know they could be housed communally), and it looked like a regular pueblan.

IF I can sex it, I might try and find a suitable mate. This while having to reduce my collection owing to outside circumstances. Argh.

Thanks again!

>>Here is a pic of a pure Black Racer. I can contest to the purity as I removed the eggs from the DOR female. This one hatched and was released within normal range of the capture site.

Sorry if I am missing the obvious but why wouldn't that be a pure black racer? Thanks, Ken.

Every black racer baby I've ever seen was gray with red blotches; never seen one this dark.

Hello,
The purity statement was a bit of a joke and evolves from the endless discussions that herp folks have on purity &/or locality that influences the desirability of many animals.

This little racer was found on a great weekend trip to coastal NC. We tromped through some great habitat, saw numerous taxa (and received an epic case of chiggers), and I found my first NC Canebreak. Being able to salvage one animal from a DOR critter was icing on the cake. In reality the snake is probably long gone from this world but I choose to think that it still wanders the sandy pines in search of some grub!

Here is another picture of an E Hog that was rescued (from a terrified homeowner) and re-released.

Today, there are alot of things that are produced that don't look quite like they should at all, and they can still be a "pure" subspecies, and I suppose this "could" possibly be the case with this one too. But although it does have a sockhead, the jagged edges of it, and the snout just DO NOT look like campbelli traits to me. The rounded blotches that don't go completely around instead of rings is another thing that definitely looks out of place too.

It looks cool, but I would bet money that it isn't 100% campbelli, but it certainly couldn't be proven in court without parent lineage, or even other clutch siblings to look at and compare. If all the other clutch-mates looked odd like that,or in other strange out of character ways, there's no way it could be all campbelli.

Anyway, that's what I see for what it's worth.

best regards, ~Doug
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That does not look like a pure Pueblan to me.. Any guess at what it is crossed with would be just that.. A guess..

Nice looking pet snake though..

~ Mike Russo

said..it's just a guess...but I think that's what you're asking, right?

I would guess that baby has Cal. King in it!

For two reasons...the way the bands open up towards the ventral (belly)...and the face.

Again, just a guess.

-R

........I am not with the rest....if you mix a cal king with milks you can get snakes this good....but it takes a few generations to get them this cool....the bands are usually more plentiful and thinner.....?....I have had campbelli with bands that got wider at the bottom.....and the sock head is nice....nose band is big but I forget if it is one of the normal face patterns.....

color, tri-number, pattern....could be a good pueblan ?.....

.....where's Shannon.......Randy?.....etc etc....LOL...

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