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So an extreme black/melanistic Longicauda is typed as anerythristic ?? This locale is of melanistic nature with of course variants thru out their range, Yes ?? No ??
So am I to understand that there is a real and true population of anerythristic's in this subspecies ? If so would someone enlighten me as to how this trait passes..
Thank you,
Tim..
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www.serpentim.com

Hi Tim,
There is not a single population of anerythristics but there have been individuals found that exhibit anerythrism. Therefore the mutation responsible for anerythrism is present within the sub-species, just as it is in many species.

Warren
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Dr Warren Booth / Director USARK
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology

there are two genes that your thinking of. first anery longicauda are simple recessive. a number of the first imports where anerys and several of the normal adults also proved to be het for anery as well. there are also hyper melanistic animals some of which are anery and some are normals. the hypermels are genetic and i have produced them from sibling pairs of hyper to anery pairings. so whether it recessive or dominant still needs to be worked out. the hypers look different the normals at birth but take almost a year to real start showing the hyper trait. here is a pic of yearlings both are anerys and one is starting to show the hyper trait.

anery hypers

anery

normal male hyper father of the 08 litter

and last a adult anery hyper

i'm thinking I'll call the hyper gene eclipse.
Micah

I agree, I think it is clear there are two lines. One being the anerythristic line (proven recessive), the other either a dominant or incomplete dominant form of hypermelanism.

However, I have one question. Why call the hyper line Eclipse. Why not simply call it as it is, i.e. hypermelanistic or increased melanine. If it is to define a specific line or hypers then so be it, but I am unaware of multiple lines of hypers with separate origins.

Warren
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Dr Warren Booth / Director USARK
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology

Warren,
as far as I know my line is the only hypermel line, I know Vin has a black line and there are a couple of other dark lines. but to me at least they are a dark animal that tend to more of a dark wash rather then a sold hyper. the eclipse name im think to use is because the hyper slowly covers all the other colors on the animal the way an eclipse cover up the sun or moon. and also to separate them from Pete's IMG Bci and Gus's (and other's) hyper Bcc. if there are other unrelated hypers out ther i would like to hear about them and see some pics. i would be fun to start crossing the hypers to see if it's a co-dom but I need to do some out breeding before I do a hyper to hyper breeding.

I hope We derive some good of this question of mine..I don't want to come off as a doubting Tom or trouble maker but as of in search of the proper truth..Every X amount of miles a locale/species/subspecies changes in appearence..Thats a given,
My real question is why this locale/subspecies was typed anerythristic..Occidentalis is not typed as anerythirstic, So I have to ask why..
Thanks,
Tim.
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www.serpentim.com

their are anery's with in the subspecies but not all are anery thats why their called anerys and not just Bcl. Argentine's aren't anerys they are just the natural color of that subspecies, where as longicauda have a normal, anery, hyper, patternless, striped, and a hypo from as well as 5 or so different color phases that fall with in the "normal" phase.

WHy cant we just call it Hyper melanistic??? why is there this incessant need to stamp trendy little names on every mutation .... it's not like this mutation was developed by someone... it already existed.... at least you didnt try to name it after food like the ball python pple
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Marc Duhon
Lafayette, Louisiana
SURINAMBOAS.COM
kaiyudsai@SURINAMBOAS.COM

Is it a "mutation" or a normally occurring trait that occurs within this locale ?? Where are the slate blue ones now that Marcia L and the late Bill G produced back in the 90's ??
To my limited knowledge it is one of the Most variable of the boas..Likely irrelevent but Bill determined thru necropsy that many of these boas where laiden with heavy metals due to the mining in that region..Food for thought.
Tim.
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www.serpentim.com

it pop up in a 04 litter from normal adults so it is a new mutation and the name it is differentiate it from the other species hypermel morphs.

One of the girls I got from you back in 04 has that same HyperMel look not as black as your others...maybe I need to add one of your difinitive Eclipse Longis to my Longicauda Project....

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Brandon Nixon

think she might be one. she was the darkest at birth from that litter. but the males turned black sooner then she did up till 08 all where males there is one 08 female hyper and shes not as dark as the males ether.

Tim,
To answer the question I think you are asking, no just because there are melanistics out there they are not anery. There are both anery, and non anery that have increased black. There is alot of variability in this boa, and there are anerys. Some EXCELLENT examples are found at www.boaconstrictor.de if you look at not only the longicauda link on the far left, also check out the available page. I think you will get your answers just by seeing the pictures. It wont explain how the genes are passed, but the examples are clear that there is something to this anery trait going on. I dont believe this website calls them anery, they call them "varients" The book they have written does call them anery however.
Chris
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Thanks Chris,another page saved..lol.
Brandon,absolutely stunning animals..
Micah,beautiful animals and well thought background..Hats off to ya'll..As stated By Marc I'm looking to see if this is one of so many marketing tools used or if this is really what it is..As already stated twice "variable" and variants..These variants existed in the 90's..Joel R of NY produced some extreme melanistic animals which would have been titled hyper..Both Price and Russo were producing at the time but don't recall what they looked like..Bill & Marcia used a slate blue male that was a sight to behold,I have a 35mm pic of him..They produced some pretty high yellow animals with the slate heads..As pictured in Vins Book..As well as the rare slate blue animals..Still and again trying to get a handle on why the term Anerythristic was used here..BC nebulosa can turn near entirely Black with age,crawl cays black gray and white, many of these guys lacking red pigment..???
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www.serpentim.com

I'd like to see that picture you have of the slate blue BCL
I have a picture stuck on another hard drive that I have
to get off of that hard drive . Its one of two pictures
I love so much. I always believed but never new forsure if
it was an Anery Longi. Not just any normal Anery Longi
it had silver blueish colored eyes heavy black head spear
and occular markings then the base color was a
silver /blue color. Absolutely stunning.

The other pic was a South Brazilian with the
most amazing color and amazing perfect small
peaked pattern.

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz
Boas By Klevitz

I will try to upload my yearling female pic tonite, she is very blue. She is of gulf coast lineage.

Chris
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Chris, where is that pic?! We need some more BCL
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Brandon Nixon

My ISP has been down at home, and I think my blue female is in blue. I will post as soon as she gets back to normal. She is cool looking!

Chris
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