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about nomenclature

rtdunham Oct 15, 2009 09:10 AM

we had a thread here a couple weeks ago about naming. Both common and scientific names were discussed, and the methodologies for same. I thought this was interesting today from CNAH (italics mine).

CNAH ANNOUNCEMENT
The Center for North American Herpetology
Lawrence, Kansas
http://www.cnah.org
15 October 2009

ZOOBANK: DEVELOPING A NOMENCLATURAL TOOL FOR UNIFYING 250 YEARS OF
BIOLOGICAL INFORMATION

Richard L. Pyle & Ellinor Michel

2008. Zootaxa 1950: 39-50

Abstract: Nomenclature represents the backbone upon which virtually all biological
information is organized.
However, the practice of zoological nomenclature has changed
relatively little since its start in 1758. As modern technology changes the paradigm under
which modern scientists exchange information, there is increasing need to capitalize on
these same technologies to fortify nomenclature. ZooBank has been proposed as the
official registry of names and nomenclatural acts, in zoology, as well as associated
published works and their authors, and type specimens. Having a coordinated registry of
zoological names, integrated with the existing Code of Zoological Nomenclature, will allow
increased efficiency of communication among biologists, and enhanced stability of names.
Such a registry would encompass two distinct realms, each with their own set of
challenges. Retrospective registration involves the monumental task of aggregating and
validating two and a half centuries of existing names, whereas prospective registration
must be tightly integrated with the future paradigm in which scientific names are created
and managed under new models of publication.
The prototype of ZooBank has been
hosted at Bishop Museum during its initial development phase. Following the lead of
standard-setting bodies in biodiversity informatics, Life Science Identifiers (LSIDs) have
been selected for use as the globally unique identifiers for ZooBank registration entries.
The first ZooBank LSIDs were issued on January 1st, 2008, and included five new fish
species described in a work published that same day, as well as all 4,819 names
established in the 10th Edition of Linnaeus’ Systema Naturae. Three alternate scenarios for
implementing mandatory registration in ZooBank have been
articulated, each incorporating different degrees of coordination between published works
and registration events. A robust discussion involving a broad spectrum of practicing
zoological taxonomists is required over the next several years to define the specific
implementation aspects of ZooBank.

*****

A pdf of this article is available from the CNAH PDF Library at

http://www.cnah.org/cnah_pdf.asp

Replies (13)

Bluerosy Oct 15, 2009 10:08 AM

sounds like trouble ..

How the heck are they all going to agree and what canon will they be using, if any?
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DMong Oct 15, 2009 11:56 AM

>> "and enhanced stability of names"

*** Gee, this part would be great to see,...... if it's even possible..LOL!

It seems almost every time I refer to a latin name to give to someone for specific ID purposes on the "what kind?" forum in addition to the common name, the taxonomy has changed(sometimes) several times for that animal..LOL!

Of course this is no real surprise, because when using strict criteria, the more details that are found out, the more they will continue to change. Sort of a confusing "snowball" effect..LOL!

Oh well,....I can't do anything about it,...so whatever happens, happens I guess(shrug)..LOL!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

rogue_reptiles Oct 15, 2009 12:02 PM

Zoo Bank is the name registry created by the International Council on Zoological Nomenclature (ICZN). I believe that ICZN is more concerned with scientific names and they are not trying to say that they have the final call on whether the actual species is valid or not.

They just want to keep the scientic names consistent. For example, they will let the biological community argue over whether the Apalachicola Kingsnake is a valid sub-species or not, but they don't want some to call it L.g. goini and others to call it L.g. meansi.

At least that is my take on it. We know that biologist cant agree on what the definition a species is, so they will never accept one "official" list of what is valid or not.

Greg Huston

DMong Oct 15, 2009 12:11 PM

Yes, I think that would make good sense in that respect.

~Doug
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Bluerosy Oct 15, 2009 02:30 PM

I believe that ICZN is more concerned with scientific names and they are not trying to say that they have the final call on whether the actual species is valid or not.

The final call is what governing authorities of each state go by repotred to them by nomenclature. So if i have Florida kings in GA and they say that that they are native to GA then I am breaking the law. Same thing goes for zonata spp in Calif and their mexican counterparts. I am sure there are other examples and we will find out more when it is to late.

In the last 40 years that I have been keeping reptiles the laws keep getting more strict. Probably in my lifetime I will see this hobby of keeping reptiles dissapear. Wait until the next generation grows up and takes over.
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Bluerosy Oct 15, 2009 10:25 PM

HIGH SCHOOL -- 1957 vs. 2009

Scenario 1:

Jack goes quail hunting before school and then pulls into the school parking lot with hi

Bluerosy Oct 16, 2009 12:27 AM

HIGH SCHOOL -- 1957 vs. 2009

Scenario 1:

Jack goes quail hunting before school and then pulls into the school parking lot with his shotgun in his truck's gun rack.

1957 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.

2008 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.

Scenario 2:

Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school.

1957 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies..

2008 - Police called and SWAT team arrives -- they arrest both Johnny and Mark. They are both charged them with assault and both expelled even though Johnny started it.

0AScenario 3:

Jeffrey will not be still in class, he disrupts other students.

1957 - Jeffrey sent to the Principal's office and given a good paddling by the Principal. He then returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.

2008 - Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalin. He becomes a zombie. He is then tested for ADD. The school gets extra money from the state because Jeffrey has a disability

Scenario 4:

0A

Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.

1957 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college and becomes a successful businessman.

2008 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy is removed to foster care and joins a gang. The state psychologist is told by Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has an affair with the psychologist.

Scenario 5:

Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.

1957 - Mark shares his aspirin with the Principal out on the smoking dock.

2008 - The police are called and Mark is expelled from school for drug violations. His car is then searched for drugs and weapons.

Scenario 6:

Pedro fails high school English.

1957 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English and goes to college.

2008 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against the state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English is then banned from core curriculum. Pedro is given his diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.

Scenario 7:

Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from the Fourth of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle and blows up a red ant bed.

1957 - Ants die.

2008 - ATF, Homeland Security and the FBI are all called. Johnny is charged with domestic terrorism. The FBI investigates his parents -- and all siblings are removed from their home and all computers are confiscated. Johnny's dad is placed on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.

Scenario 8:

Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him and tells him its only a small boo-boo, it will stop hurting soon.

1957 - In a very short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing happily.

2008 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy for something he never heard of and now is afraid to be polite to elders, becomes very awkward around new people and becomes extremely introverted, never marries.

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DMong Oct 16, 2009 12:51 AM

HAHAHA!!,...I gotta hand it to ya there, those were VERY accurate scenario's that portray just how CRAPPY times have gotten bro!....that is EXACTLY how things were, and EXACTLY how things are now.

Those very same things bend me outta shape like you wouldn't believe, and make me want to throw a brick through my freakin' TV set............now ya got me all worked up!..LOL!

Now let's just keep it on snakes instead,..huh?

~Doug
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Bluerosy Oct 16, 2009 08:42 AM

Now let's just keep it on snakes instead,..huh?

YEP! That's pretty much all were goinna be able to do very soon. Just talk about snakes.
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rtdunham Oct 16, 2009 03:03 PM

>>Those very same things...make me want to throw a brick through my freakin' TV set....

Scenario: Man throws brick through TV screen.

1957: Wife cuts off sex for three months. Man promises to stop drinking. Cop comes--it's man's brother-in-law, and invites him to watch next week's game at HIS house.

2009: Brick doesn't penetrate flatscreen plasma TV but bounces off, killing cat. Man's charged with animal cruelty. Hamzat team cleans millions of plasmas off man's shag carpet, bills him $4,500. Wife cuts off sex for three months. Man increases drink consumption.

Bluerosy Oct 16, 2009 04:24 PM

That made me burst out laughing!
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DMong Oct 16, 2009 05:42 PM

True,...A scenario can be made for just about any scenario..LOL!

Funny stuff!

~Doug
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antelope Oct 16, 2009 01:54 AM

wtf? Rainer, I am so LMAO, true, not one bit funny, but I laughed my ass off, that damn Johnny blowin' up a red ant pile is why there aren't many horned lizards left, that scumbag, eco-terrorist!
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