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U.S. threatened!

rtdunham Oct 15, 2009 11:28 PM

I thought you'd like to see the way one newspaper played the AP story today about non-native snakes.

The lead refers to South Florida; the second paragraph says they "could slither their way north..."

And the headline? "Illegal Alien Snakes Threaten U.S." !!!

Does anyone know details of the research the article describes, in which seven Burmese Pythons are being studied in a natural enclosure in South Carolina to see if they can live through colder winters?

And does anyone know of escapees surviving winters north of the florida border?
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DMong Oct 16, 2009 12:07 AM

Sounds sort of like that old movie "the Blob" where everyone is running out of the movie theatre screaming..LOL!

~Doug
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rtdunham Oct 16, 2009 10:27 AM

>>Sounds sort of like that old movie "the Blob" where everyone is running out of the movie theatre screaming..LOL!
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I ran across a warehouse full of these posters yesterday on my drive through central Georgia. I'm convinced the gummint is planning a full-out assault on our hobby. Where's Michael Moore when we need him?

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DMong Oct 16, 2009 11:36 AM

Yeah,....it's too bad most of the general public doesn't know more about the animals on our planet(especially snakes), otherwise there wouldn't be a market whatsoever for the stupid movies and news stories.

The movie "Anaconda" was another great example of pure nonsense. If it were based more on reality, the movie would be very short, and very boring......the snake would eat a large meal, then find a nice place to curl-up to digest the meal for a month or so....end of story(movie in this case)..LOL!!

It really is amazing to me just how stupid and nature illiterate most of the public is, most are only familiar with what goes on in their tiny little "concrete jungle" of the big city. I on the other hand have been amazed by nature for as long as I can even remember.

I sometimes wonder just what the heck made me so different from most others. In any case, I couldn't even imagine what my life would be like without snakes, and I hope I don't have to find out either with all the bullcrap that goes on now with "those scary" reptiles in our todays ridiculous society.

Very similar to what Rainer posted, back in 1968(third grade) I brought five foot Indigo's to school for "show & tell",...today, you would likely be sued from Johnny's parent's for traumatizing him from the sight of the snakes...LOL!, but this wasn't Johnny's idea to sue, because he was perfectly fine about the large snake in the classroom, and even enjoyed seeing the big black snake, it was his parent's bright idea to do this after they heard Johnny talk about it at the dinner table that evening, and decided it would be a great idea and an easy ticket to some free money...funny, yes,.. but ironically horribly sad at the same time because of the horrible times we live in now.

Many things about todays times SUCK compared to several decades ago, no doubt about it!

~Doug
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varanid Oct 16, 2009 12:00 PM

Well, to be fair I'm at least as lost in a city as most city people are in the woods. I guess it's an example of knowing your environment at the expense of being ignorant about other things.

And as for decades ago---yeah, the 1960s and 50's were wonderful for black people and women. Let's not forget the massive sexual abuse in the church of the time that is just now coming to light And the measles and the higher infant mortality...and Vietnam. And the start of the drug craze. And the Cold War. And the Bay of Pigs.

Bluerosy Oct 16, 2009 12:21 PM

What is so stupid is that people don't get together on issues. recently i compared how anti-gun folks want your guns. Then people on this forum debated how it was a good idea. Then, I posted the same about HR669 on a gun forum and here is their response:

regarding bill HR669
"There are many things in the world of today that should be worried about-this does not appear to be one of them."

This is what they said after seeing this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FPfL212CB8

IDIOTS! IDIOTS! IDIOTS! IDIOTS!

No wonder we are all doomed in the U.S. There are very few true patriots left!
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varanid Oct 16, 2009 12:35 PM

people care about what affects them personally; it's a strength and weakness of democracy. If there's not a lot of people personalimpacted by a given change, regardless of how ill concieved it is, it'll be hard to fight it. I personally don't want the government in my life if I can avoid and belong to a lot of special interest groups to further that goal (NRA, ACLU, etc) but they often ignore each other at best or argue with each and sabatoge each other at worst (the NRA and ACLU are HORRIBLE at that, with the ACLU fighting against gun rights at times).
*sigh*

Bluerosy Oct 16, 2009 12:54 PM

Well i don't know how old you are but Doug and i are older and have seen a lot of changes. And i just got to say in 20 years this herp hobby and its Reptile shows will all be taking away forever. My only hope is a few people reading these my "Politcal posts" will start thinking and hopefully prolong it for a whle longer for me to enjoy.

Are there any attornys posting here?? Any representative organizations or individuals who can help us?

I have heard of only one org and not sure I would support because the funds seems to dissapear and when someone has a legal problem they don't give any support. It would take something like KINGSNAKE.com to really rally folks and organize something like this. Even the promoter of the Daytona Expo could make a dent if he should so desire.
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Bluerosy Oct 16, 2009 12:26 AM

I would think they would have no problem surving morth of Florida. I know some idiots here in Georgia who have kept large Burmese for years with no heat in unheated garages. I know of 3 such people who I met personally.

It gets down to the mid 30's amd low 40's during Jan -march near Atlanta. Temps near valdosta Ga (South GA)are about the same. The Burmese do fine with these longer cold temps. So why couldn't they survive in the wild where at least they have a better selection of burrows and other shelter.
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DMong Oct 16, 2009 12:38 AM

>> "The Burmese do fine with these longer cold temps. So why couldn't they survive in the wild where at least they have a better selection of burrows and other shelter."

** I'm sure the media would just LOVE nothing more than to print your comment on their front page in huge bold letters..LOL!

Hope nobody from the newspapers is surfing the forums for some good headline material to add more fuel to the fire..LOL!

~Doug
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ChristopherD Oct 16, 2009 01:41 AM

With all the laws,rules and regs.I think the media should be held responsible for misinformation leading to panic and pandimonium.And how did the humans kill the Blob maybe these techniques can be of use,If I remember correctly we did conquer the Giant Killer Tomatoes

antelope Oct 16, 2009 01:56 AM

LMAO, you guys are funny tonight! Get the fire extinguishers ready! Hose the press!
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Upscale Oct 16, 2009 07:38 AM

Just a couple of days ago we had a story about a poor beagle that was tied in a backyard near the everglades with no way to escape an attack by a deadly alien invasion. It got very little press coverage. Maybe because it was just bees.
Imagine if it had been a python.

Anyone want to do a quick internet search and see which one has killed more dogs and people?

DMong Oct 16, 2009 11:46 AM

>> "Anyone want to do a quick internet search and see which one has killed more dogs and people?"

*** Ain't THAT the freakin' truth!!!, or a huge number of other reasons too.

I keep telling people,.."if snakes had fluffy fur, instead of scales, and big brown eyes,...they would be adored by everyone".

~Doug
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varanid Oct 16, 2009 11:51 AM

That ought to be the next morph--puppy dog eyes!

ChristopherD Oct 16, 2009 12:35 PM

I keep telling people,.."if snakes had fluffy fur, instead of scales, and big brown eyes,...they would be adored by everyone".

~Doug

Shhh...I have been feeding furry mice to a select group with hopes of popping out a Cute furry snake as you mentioned then my mice started thowing hairless!Doh! So that project went right out the window ,back to the drawing board

DMong Oct 16, 2009 12:37 PM

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ChristopherD Oct 16, 2009 06:31 PM

All in all ,it boils down to the politicians and NEWS folk, who are praying that they have a job ....

DMong Oct 16, 2009 06:49 PM

Yeah, if the media weren't able to make mountains out of mole hills(as always), what would they be reporting about to justify their jobs and pay for all the stupid commercials with?, how good Fred's daughter is doing in a small town grade school?, random acts of kindness in the neighborhood?, someone losing their wallet and it was returned with the money still in it?...hmmm, I think definitely NOT!....murder, robbery, pythons on the loose, and anything else that might have some sort of "shock-value" to it are the only things that fit the criteria.

~Doug
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jazmaniandevil Oct 17, 2009 06:42 PM

Nope, six year old boys, helium balloons experimental aircraft and publicity stunts. Talk about CRAP for news...

tgcorley Oct 16, 2009 11:57 AM

The media love to dramatize threats, I guess because it draws in more viewers/readers so advertisers can be charged more.

The hype about pythons wiping out entire populations of wildlife positively drips with irony, because in the history of the world the species that has destroyed more populations of wildlfe, including entire ecosytems, is -- you guessed it -- Homo sapiens. As Pogo (from the old Walt Kelly comic strip) said "We have met the enemy, and he is us". Habitat loss is the number one cause of extinctions worldwide. Predation by humans is up there, too -- think Carolina parakeets, passenger pigeons, dodos, moas.

The headline "Developers Obliterate Wetlands Ecosystem" doesn't seem to get people excited or sell papers.

Oh well, so it goes . . .

DMong Oct 16, 2009 12:23 PM

>> The headline "Developers Obliterate Wetlands Ecosystem" doesn't seem to get people excited or sell papers."

Exactly, but it certainly would make the front page if there was a large snake found on the obliterated wetlands..LOL!

~Doug
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rtdunham Oct 16, 2009 02:09 PM

>>The hype about pythons wiping out entire populations of wildlife positively drips with irony, because in the history of the world the species that has destroyed more populations of wildlfe, including entire ecosytems, is -- you guessed it -- Homo sapiens. .. Habitat loss is the number one cause of extinctions worldwide...

The pythons aren't making it to the everglades by themselves. They're intro'd by humans, accidentally or intentionally. That makes their presence, and their impact on the wildlife of the everglades, just one more example of the impact of homo sapiens. If you have an environment--however disturbed or undisturbed the glades might be today--and introduce a major predator like the pythons, isn't that habitat destruction, albeit a different sort than we usually think about?

WE are supposed to be the "love the woods" folks rather than the "love the city" folks in the dichotomy in this thread, right? Then shouldn't WE be concerned about the introduction of such powerful non-native species into the environments (the WOODS!) that house the species we revere?

I think we get so concerned about the legislation affecting US that we feel pushed on, so we push back against the entire concept, without thinking if we shouldn't want some regulation to protect the native species. The proposed bills might not be the solution. But does everyone here want unfettered access by anyone, to any species available anywhere in the world? We worry about fire ants possibly destroying king snake eggs. What about mongoose? (mongeeses? )Should we care whether they're sold in every pet store? Should we care if, when they turn out to be undesirable pets as adults, they are released not in the glades but in the woods in YOUR state, or mine?

I sometimes see "slippery slope" arguments--arguing, hypothetically, that if you ban nuclear weapons in the hands of gang bangers you're eventually gonna end up with laws banning abrasive jean patches on elementary school students, therefore you'd best fight any law that would restrict nuke-ownership. I'm not sure that's the right approach for anyone who cares about wildlife. (While i guess a few of you might take the position that ALL speed limits, on ALL roads should be abolished, i suspect most of us believe there should be some limits, and that the debates should revolve around the points at which limits are set. I'm of the mind that we need to approach the animal-ownership regulations in the same way.)

Clearly, "alien snakes threaten the U.S." isn't a viable approach to problem solving. Is "keep your hands off anything i want to own, anywhere" any more viable? Have those opposing the snake bans proposed regulations to protect the environment AND private ownership? I suspect they have, but--perhaps for brevity--all i see here is usually pushing back. Tell me more about constructive proposals for those who love the woods and the animals in them. Thanks.

DMong Oct 16, 2009 02:39 PM

Yeah,...my views on Burmese pythons and boa constrictors in the Everglades is something that DEFINITELY needs to be addressed, and the morons that release them are the original cause of this,...but I don't have any clue as to what will actually help now at this point.

Little "Johnny" certainly shouldn't be able to go buy a baby snake that will soon get 20 plus feet long in my opinion, but the the "trickle-down" effect of preventing this also causes huge ripples in the keeping of the much smaller totally harmless snakes that I and many other's keep too.

That's where I totally agree with the points you are mentioning here,...there has to be some sort of balance with this, as well as many other problems in the world. There is no one single act, or law that will prevent these large number of problems, and the "all or nothing at all" mentality certainly doesn't help in most cases. There has to be a better way to balance these things on an idividual basis. The absolute banning of a tiny Scarlet kingsnake is much different than it would be a 250 pound monster snake, but most of the general public likes neither one, so not being able to own either one would be just fine for these people, and unfortunately, there are FAR FAR more of those people in the world than there are responsible snake owners.

~Doug
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varanid Oct 16, 2009 03:28 PM

and I will fight like hell against a blanket ban on retics and burms because I work with them and enjoy them. I'm OK with regulations in theory but now Florida is talking about banning ROCs and they have a nice registry of people that have them...
In reality, the ecological consequence of the burmese is *probably* miniscule, and is certainly far less than any number of other introduced species (pigs, feral dogs and cats). They need to be removed, but for the love of god, banning them is over reacting in the extreme.

varanid Oct 16, 2009 03:32 PM

http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1744135,1744135

covers some of the reality of the burms...they're *an* issue but they're not a big one. The FUD being spread about 100,00 is just that--FUD, based on NOTHING other than what makes headlines.

DMong Oct 16, 2009 06:32 PM

One of the things our country has been based on since it's beginning is...the majority usually wins hands-down. Unfortunately, this applies to not liking snakes as well.

You could starve a snake for months on end, and even neglect them until they wither away from starvation(like in many "so-called" pet stores)and nobody would care in the least. Put fur on the animal, and let someone find out that it hasn't eaten in a day and you go to jail......pure irony!

Now I'm not advocating not feeding dogs or any other animal, because many of these cases I see on TV regarding animal abuse, the scumbags should DEFINITELY go to jail, and not just until they post a $50 dollar bail in a couple hours either. It should be a LOOOONG while!. In other cases I have seen, the scums don't even deserve to live AT ALL in my opinion, they should be tortured just like the animal was.

I'm sure you see my only point was that most people only care about cute, cuddly animals.

Sorry for the long rant, but when was the last time anyone has seen a big Hollywood movie star go on a big crusade to fight for reptile's rights?..LOL!. The answer is very simple, as I have said before, most people don't give two craps about any type of animals without fur and brown puppy-dog eyes!

ps, I also love my little miniature wire-haired Dachshund(Bucky) probably more than life itself..LOL!

Yes, I also have a soft spot for fluffy fur, and big brown eyes too though..LOL!.

~Doug


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Upscale Oct 16, 2009 08:24 PM

My snake hating step father is a Southern Baptist preacher. He told me snakes were a sign of the devil. So I asked him, “why do you eat apples?” Doh!

DMong Oct 16, 2009 09:09 PM

LOL!!!!.......that's a perfect comeback!

Hypocrisy at it's finest..LOL! It could have easily been a dog or a turtle that was chosen to represent evil, but just so happened to be a snake instead..LOL!

I did have a Texas Rat that I just recently sold that was pure evil though. You might even say it was pure "hell on wheels"!. I would have loved to see Adam get close to her without getting zapped!..LOL!

~Doug


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Upscale Oct 16, 2009 09:36 PM

Such a cultural thing, that in some countries snakes are worshiped, or in antiquity were seen as good or signs of good luck. The word venom comes from venus and was considered a love potion. The medical staff with the snake was a symbol of healing or fertility or some good, never meant to represent evil or anything bad. I use to ask my step dad why the people got thrown out of the Garden but the snake was allowed to stay? Why do we strive to pave that garden and kick out the snakes?
Oh well.
Here's a picture of one of my old Lucy snakes that was an evil little biatch. Just look at the look on her face!

Hey Doug, is that a picture of that little one you posted a couple of years ago? I think they are gorgeous. I always wondered if the whitesided in Brooks came from a rat, why hasn't anybody taken the leucism from them? (gotta keep it kingsnake related)

DMong Oct 16, 2009 09:57 PM

Ya know what,...I have been HIGHLY suspicious of the white sided trait coming from the Black Rat too, and I'm sure countless other's have too...Rainer thinks this is probably the case too, but without getting a snake's DNA tested at a lab, it is just impossible to say for certain, and remains simply speculation. I do find it ironic how they popped up not long after the White-wall Black Rat was in the hobby for awhile..LOL!, About as much time as it took to do a few generations of "target" back-breeding,...hmmm?..LOL!

Who knows, only the clown that originally did it knows for sure, and maybe whoever he told afterwards(if any). Sort of like the Gray Rat thing with "frosted" corns, that is another similar thing that has been varified as to where it originated from. I read lots of good reputable info about that a while back, but now for the life of me, can't remember who it involved.

Nowadays, I like to store certain interesting facts about origins in a special computer folder, where I can refer to it whenever the need or topic comes up.

Yeah, those Leucie's can be real terrors..LOL!, and yes, that is the same one you saw a long time ago, although of course she was much bigger than that when I sold her recently at the Daytona Expo.

take care bro!, ~Doug
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DMong Oct 16, 2009 10:03 PM

yes,...DEFINITELY a cultural thing!,...you don't see little infants getting struck by King cobras here in the U.S., but it ain't no big deal if you let an infant get zapped repeatedly over in Asia!..LOL!...geesh!

I'm sure you remember this?

~Doug
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Upscale Oct 16, 2009 03:52 PM

If you believe that the land mass of Earth was once a single continent called “Pangea”, then all of the creatures are related in history belonging to one Earth. In Florida we use to have camels, tapirs and numerous common South American animals. It is sheer human madness to want to preserve any given moment in time and declare it “the” perfect one. That’s what dead stuffed taxidermy displays in a museum are for. “Natural” is the opposite of that.

ChristopherD Oct 16, 2009 04:03 PM

Hmmm. did the core expand,or did water exume, The Sphere thing has me going in circles .think about it as expantion occurs our property taxes should go up

rtdunham Oct 16, 2009 04:16 PM

>>If you believe that the land mass of Earth was once a single continent called “Pangea”, then all of the creatures are related in history belonging to one Earth. In Florida we use to have camels, tapirs and numerous common South American animals. It is sheer human madness to want to preserve any given moment in time and declare it “the” perfect one. That’s what dead stuffed taxidermy displays in a museum are for. “Natural” is the opposite of that.

I'm having a hard time reconciling your statement above with what you posted on the burmese thread (cited in this thread) about the threat of pythons in the everglades being a scam. There, you wrote:

>>"I believe this “problem” really took off when Broward County became built out and real estate investors began eyeing the protected land even further west and to the south. This is part of a deliberate publicity scheme to promote the notion that the Everglades are already ruined and not worth preserving. “Follow the money”. Just watch who gets involved in this. It is a scam."

So if someone wanted to bring large numbers of elephants and various primates and birds and reptiles and release them all in the glades, you'd say that was ok? And to anyone who objected, you'd say that was "sheer human madness"? I can't figure out whether you do want the glades protected but think the python scare is fabricated, or whether you don't think it matters.

Upscale Oct 16, 2009 04:32 PM

I want the natural areas preserved, and leave the animals alone.

I think it would be sheer madness to bring in elephants to try to preserve that moment in time when there were elephants here. Or preserve a select moment before pythons were here.

I do believe the python scare was fabricated and deliberately planned and executed, not by decade’s solitary random pet releases, but by just a few years of deliberate calculated releases by the characters I implicated.

It all matters, or I wouldn’t bother to post about it at all.

Bluerosy Oct 16, 2009 07:36 PM

Is it just me that thinks it would be cool to see wild pythons in Florida?

I guess by now everyone knows my take and that is the earth will and all its inhabitants will be burned up. Then we will have a new earth. So i guess, for some, what Gods word teaches means nothing?

There is an old saying, "there are no athiests in foxholes".. meaning when the end comes, all we have is faith. It's not just building a house here in this life (401K, retirement, finacial freedon), but also preparing oneself on what comes next. So many prepare a good life here on earth and it surprises me they have no plan for the afterlife.
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DMong Oct 16, 2009 08:36 PM

Me?,...I'm going to dress up in a blue cult jumpsuite and cool sneakers, and wait for the next comet to take me away in a space ship..LOL!

That's if the strychnine kool-aid doesn't get me first though.

I wonder if this dude left any cool snakes behind in his will?

~Doug

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rtdunham Oct 16, 2009 09:49 PM

>>Me?,...I'm going to dress up in a blue cult jumpsuite and cool sneakers, and wait for the next comet to take me away in a space ship..

c'mon, doug, isn't that what you were wearing when i saw you at expo?

Bluerosy Oct 16, 2009 10:56 PM

This was taken before Doug had his mustache


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DMong Oct 16, 2009 11:14 PM

Dougie Mercury ~Captive-Bred Reptiles,...has a nice ring to it.

And the flashy suite would surely drum-up some extra business at a reptile expo..LOL!

As I always say,.."fat bottom girls they make the rockin' world go round!"

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DMong Oct 16, 2009 11:00 PM

LOL!!,....now that you mention it, I think it was..LOL!

~Doug
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Bluerosy Oct 16, 2009 05:16 PM

If you believe that the land mass of Earth was once a single continent called “Pangea”, then all of the creatures are related in history belonging to one Earth. In Florida we use to have camels, tapirs and numerous common South American animals. It is sheer human madness to want to preserve any given moment in time and declare it “the” perfect one. That’s what dead stuffed taxidermy displays in a museum are for. “Natural” is the opposite of that.

God that is a great post! thumbsup!

I need to copy that and keep it.
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FR Oct 16, 2009 05:10 PM

First, its not about saving anything is it? The woods and its animals are not being saved by anyone. They are being recorded so they can disappear and we have a record of what it was.

As anyone stopped any type of construction yet? oh the stop the low dollar projects to be replaced by high dollar projects(bigger more distructive)

So conservation is mostly talking about something thats not being done, anywhere!!!!

It sort of becomes a, some type of wildlife is better then no type of wildlife. As thats what the result IS going to be.

Of course most would want our "woods" to be and stay natural, but sadly that is not happening. While we "discuss" the matters forth and back, the woods are being changed in a way that native species have NO WAY to stay native.

For instance, it takes a particular TYPE of habitat to support a particular type of species. So if that habitat is no longer available, then that species will no longer be supported.

As Fla's habitat has been reduced, changed, seperated, altered, feral plants superceeded feral insects, which superceed feral animals. We stand here talking about a snake, the point is, the habitat, the plants, the insects are all altered before this snake could take a hold.

The specialists will disappear, the generalist will florish, its about that simple. Killing pythons will not change anything, the habitat HAS been changed.

Just because the water in the everglades looks sorta like it use too, does not mean its the same. Now its become the everglades outdoor Zoo and gift shop center. Cheers

Upscale Oct 16, 2009 05:57 PM

That is spot on. Most do not get the broad concepts at work. The conditions that supported the “native” have changed, so the native will eventually disappear. The python, or fill in blank with any other, has filled a niche that was not there before. The wildlife managers then say, “lets kill the new one too!” We are managing the extinctions with political correctness, but ultimately, and surely, we get the land.

robhaneisen Oct 16, 2009 12:47 PM

The Barkers actually just published a paper about this flawed study going on in South Carolina. It's on their Web site at vpi.com.

Interesting reading.

Rob

blackpine Oct 16, 2009 05:22 PM

There is more about this study, including the complete report itself, at www.fort.usgs.gov/FLConstrictors/FAQ.asp.

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