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Hey, sorry I didnt respond down below....been really busy these last two weeks.

As far as producing hypo-erythristic agalma, yes, i had three pop out this year. I'm holding back a full visual hypo-e pair from last year to breed in 2011. Should be a good thing.

As for anerythristic, well.....uhhhhhh, nothing just "yet", but you never know. The closest thing I have to producing an anery are the rare black and white Sierra mountain kings (z. multicincta) pictured just below. Feel free to e-mail/call me to discuss z morphs. And if all goes well in 2010, it will be the best and most diverse year yet....enjoy.....

Black/white (anery?) Sierra mtn kingsnakes (z. multicincta)

St. Helena mtn kingsnakes (Napa County) (z. zonata)

San Diego mtn kingsnakes (Santa Ana mtns) (z. pulchra)

San Bernardino mtn kingsnakes (San jacinto mtns) (z. parvirubra)

Coastal mtn kingsnakes (Santa Cruz) (z. multifasciata)

Coastal mtn kingsnakes (Santa Clara) (z. multifasciata)

Sierra mtn kingsnakes (Greenhorn mtns) (z. multicincta)

Sierra mtn kingsnakes (Tulare County) (z. multicincta)

Sierra mtn kingsnakes (Bass Lake) (z. multicincta)

Hypo-erythristic Baja mtn kingsnakes (z. agalma)

and lastly......(whew!).......Sierra Juarez Baka mtn kingsnakes (z. agalma)

Actually, I'm realizing that many of my photos are getting kinda old. Need to break out the camera more. Anyway, hope you liked the bevvy of beauties!
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Jerry Kruse

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

" Mind Boggling! " are the words that come to my mind when viewing your awesome Mtn. kings!!

Thanks for the onslaught of pics!! Keep them coming!
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Genesis 1:1

thanks.....much appreciated.....and this brumation period is even more appreciated......ahahahaaa. But it's funny how by February I'm missin' 'em. Every single year it's the same thing, and I hope that day never comes when I don't get that rejuvenated feeling.

And to think I didnt post photos of everything.....but it's just about 3/4 . . . . .and realistically speaking, I don't breed every ssp every year. I work to alternate, so that it's not only beneficial to the females, but also to my sanity and it's more fun than labor. Most of the lil' buggers are alot of work! But my tolerance and perseverance and patience are honestly the main ingredients involved man. Nothing like a floridana or a corn where they take a pink right off the bat, as you already know. Out of all the 2009 babies I have about three that took pinks pretty much right away.....everyone else has looked at the "lizard du jour" menu and made their selection as to what they prefer....and I work it in multifaceted ways.

LOL....you know when you spend too much with zonata when you think the last sentence had "multifasciata" in it when it was really multifaceted. Ahahahahaaaa....I just caught myself and laughed. Whooooooooo! Water that tequila down next time!
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Jerry Kruse

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

Jerry, when I read that I did read MULTIFASCIATA !!! Funny as hell.

HA HA!!!!
As you said, you are having fun, and I agree! It should always be about having fun, multifaceted or not!
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Genesis 1:1

Thanks Jerry. Looks like you have a lot on the table.
Very nice indeed!
I'll send email soon.
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

i DO have alot on the table........LOL. Its a labor of love. Looking forward to talking with you.

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Jerry Kruse

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

OKAY.....I'm hooked....got...to...get...me...some....

Great pics of some awesome Zonata Jerry....
Definitely on my want list.
The White faced ones are my favorites....
But I really like the 'no-reds' and the Hypo-Es too.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

take the plunge already.........I'll catch ya...........better not eat any buttered popcorn before I do.......lol........
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Jerry Kruse

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

WOW!,....."J-Dawg", those are some absolute STUNNERS!

A few of my faves there are that no-red multicincta, super light Sierra Juarez agalma(awesome head), and no doubt a few other assorted goodies..LOL!

don't think it's an anery though, just the red is obliterated with the encroached black,....does that sound right to you too?

What a HUGE difference from the Bass Lake example!

great stuff bro, as usual!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

Hey bud, I am not 100% sure on the black/white multicincta..............but I'm believing more over time that these are a form of anery where the black does increase over time. It's one of my most exciting projects for next season and I'm immensely excited, so we will see. Keep your fingers crossed that all goes well.

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Jerry Kruse

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

Oh, I totally dig that part about it getting darker as it matures, and suffusing into the red body rings, but that really wouldn't constitute it being an anerythristic animal. The true meaning is total LACK of red pigment in the chromatophores
(erythrophores),..... it would already HAVE red pigment within the cells that were simply overtaken and obscured by black melanin pigment ontogenically as it aged. So maybe ontogenic hypermelanism would probably be much more accurate,.... see what I mean "J-Rock"??

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

what I'm saying is that these may very well hatch out anerythristic and the black ontogenetically changes with age (like gaegeae) thus becoming a black snake with white rings. I've seen a couple babies like this, and I'm not sure if my animals are from a different line or if they are one in the same.....I will know next year and you'll know via a telephone call after they hatch. These b/w multicincta also have lavender-colored scales in-between the black intermittently.
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Jerry Kruse

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

Ah, okay,....now I'm getting a much better understanding of what you were talking about before. That will be very interesting to find out what happens there for sure!

Those are certainly some of the most unique type of zonata I've ever seen, and are no doubt the envy of any and all true zonata connoisseur the world over. I really look forward to hearing about the results.

I'm sure that goes QUADRUPLE for you!..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

Jerry,

That post was F-I-N-E. I knew you had some nice stuff, but I had no idea the of quality and the quantity.

Tim

I appreciate the kind words Tim. Really. It's quite restorative to hear things like that after so many hours of overtime put in.

Im really looking forward to consistently producing the rarer southern form of agalma (Sierra de San Pedro Martir) that look like this.....and thanks again.....

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Jerry Kruse

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."